Sinful housework - Page 25

Luke · #**241** 01-02-2014, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

yes, correct, if by 'completely removed' you mean like with sandpaper, i guess might be an apt metaphor. and i say 'right after' but of course that is up to the individual.

Awesome so you (like myself) also believe in a second definite work of sanctification.

Aquila · #**242** 01-02-2014, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Luke

If God is 100% what about the verses that speak of How's hatred of some things and die individuals? This fits with How's nature being holy but not with His nature being love.

I see it like this... love demands hatred against that which will destroy the object of love. For example, any parent will have a hatred for crack cocaine if their child is hooked on it. Love will also destroy any individual that endangers the object of love. So even God's hatred, jealousy, and His taking of life is perfectly compatible with Him being love itself.

Aquila · #**243** 01-02-2014, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by houston

The best way to view God today is through the filter of Jesus in the gospels.

Amen!

Aquila · #**244** 01-02-2014, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Luke

While I do agree that Jesus was and remains the best picture of God available to man since He was and is God . Still the light that the other 62 books of the Bible shine should not be discounted.

I don't see anything in Scripture contradicting that God "is" love.

Aquila · #**245** 01-02-2014, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

yes, correct, if by 'completely removed' you mean like with sandpaper, i guess might be an apt metaphor. and i say 'right after' but of course that is up to the individual.

Often the most beautiful works of art were sanded through a long and arduous process. Sanctification is not always instantaneous.

shazeep · #**246** 01-02-2014, 09:06 AM

nice. although it might be two 'steps,' it could also be 3, or 7 for a category, or even 10 or unlimited? As, who can ever approach God?

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Originally Posted by Luke

Awesome so you (like myself) also believe in a second definite work of sanctification.

bingo why isn't this preached? it is how Christ introduced an initiate. Count the cost and Every inch of skin will be stripped from you. And yes, the only real joy you will ever find. how much more powerful this would be rather than cornering someone and recruiting them in fear.

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I see it like this... love demands hatred against that which will destroy the object of love. For example, any parent will have a hatred for crack cocaine if their child is hooked on it. Love will also destroy any individual that endangers the object of love. So even God's hatred, jealousy, and His taking of life is perfectly compatible with Him being love itself.

i've come to see the mechanism of it more like a self-destruction, God not even 'doing' it really, but the inability of sin to even exist around God. i dislike 'love demands hatred' because that is not what Christ demonstrates; and i've a pretty good argument that attributing our emotions, hate, or even love as we understand it, to God, is anthropomorphising (even when done in Scripture) that i'm sure yu'd agree with.

Luke · #**247** 01-02-2014, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I don't see anything in Scripture contradicting that God "is" love.

I agree that God is love in the sense that love is a divine attribute. In the same sense though God is just and God is merciful and God is gracious. When we begin to speak of His nature though He is Holy. You have still not answered why God calls Him self the Holy one of Israel, or why the number one adjective pertainning to God in the Bible is Holy.

1. If God is first foremost and above all love why does He never call Himself the Loveing one of Israel or else why does the prophets never call Him this?

2. Why is the it that the Angel when describing to Mary the baby to born describes as Holy not loving?

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

3. Why is it that God is called the Holy Ghost and not the Loving Ghost?

shazeep · #**248** 01-02-2014, 09:33 AM

You are talking OT, and that was the time of Law; meaning God's Holiness must needs be established? it def contrasts with Christ's message NT. Jesus explicitly said so, A new covenant...

Aquila · #**249** 01-02-2014, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

nice. although it might be two 'steps,' it could also be 3, or 7 for a category, or even 10 or unlimited? As, who can ever approach God?bingo why isn't this preached? it is how Christ introduced an initiate. Count the cost and Every inch of skin will be stripped from you. And yes, the only real joy you will ever find. how much more powerful this would be rather than cornering someone and recruiting them in fear.
i've come to see the mechanism of it more like a self-destruction, God not even 'doing' it really, but the inability of sin to even exist around God. i dislike 'love demands hatred' because that is not what Christ demonstrates; and i've a pretty good argument that attributing our emotions, hate, or even love as we understand it, to God, is anthropomorphising (even when done in Scripture) that i'm sure yu'd agree with.

It was love and zeal for God that caused Christ to flip tables, was it not?

Love will always hate that which is destroying the object of it's affections.

Luke · #**250** 01-02-2014, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

You are talking OT, and that was the time of Law; meaning God's Holiness must needs be established? it def contrasts with Christ's message NT. Jesus explicitly said so, A new covenant...

He still refers to Himself as Holy in the NT He also retains the name Holy Ghost not loving Ghost. Also the NT does not cancel the OT rather it fulfills the OT.