Survival is really the root of all evil

[ILG]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Well, see that that is what a note that is not issued as a debt instrument--by anyone--is meant to be. All this yack about 'it would be ok if the Gov issued the debt instrument' is completely naive, wadr; "Money issued as debt" is the very best definition of 'slavery' that i can think of! You are robbed every single day that you have a dollar in your pocket; and i would say also complicit in the murders required to keep the $ floating.

Understand (the lesson of Lincoln, first) why a lawful government will never issue a debt instrument, at least 'at interest.' Ever. This exact concept is what lawful governments are formed to combat. It is the reason for the War of 1812. It explains most, if not all, of the last several assassinations. Etc, ad nauseum, yikes.

I completely agree that money issued as debt with interest paid to private bankers is a form of slavery. What are you suggesting in it's place?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Luke

Do you consider yourself to be a dispensationalist?

hmm, the 'doctrine' seems so obvious as to be Law to me; i think i could even find quite a few Scriptures to the affect?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by shazeep

wow; and you think my thinking is off?

i apologize; but it might help if you consider the possibility that everything we have been taught is wrong, which seems increasingly hard to deny.

Unlike the model of 'Gov as public benefactor' we are fed, my interpretation tells me that satan runs the world, and wants nothing more than to kill us; and is only kept in check. I think 'survival' might very shortly become a bigger topic--and a great test of 'Whoever would keep his life...'
http://bible.cc/luke/17-33.htm

[ILG]

Originally Posted by shazeep

i apologize; but it might help if you consider the possibility that everything we have been taught is wrong, which seems increasingly hard to deny.

Unlike the model of 'Gov as public benefactor' we are fed, my interpretation tells me that satan runs the world, and wants nothing more than to kill us; and is only kept in check. I think 'survival' might very shortly become a bigger topic--and a great test of 'Whoever would keep his life...'
http://bible.cc/luke/17-33.htm

Are you talking to me? Or to someone else?

That's funny, since you have no idea what I think.

[shazeep]

Yes, apologizing to you; and rather than engaging on the other, maybe it's better to just reload there...

Originally Posted by ILG

But what is money but the representation of the power to purchase and/or have things?

Amen. This is what money is, and dollars are not. Unfortunately, we have a hidden aspect in $, that being that each $ is actually not money, but a debt instrument; a note that is issued as debt, with usury applied up-front.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

How is it working for you, to not live by the almighty $ ?

Well, i won't lie, by societal standards you would most likely consider me a total wreck. I seriously doubt that i could have done it with a family under me, and the family over me completely disapproved for years. It caused a huge shift in my desires, and my perceptions of them. It made conversing with another human at eye level very difficult, as you guys surely noticed. It led me to the somewhat scary conclusion that Adam seems to have arrived at, that Scripture only seems to verify, for those who might think that they can live in that system, and 'prep' their way out of it (although i might have used a different analog to 'survival'). Etc.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by ILG

I completely agree that money issued as debt with interest paid to private bankers is a form of slavery. What are you suggesting in it's place?

oh, nevermind then
um, as to what i would recommend, i would buy and hold at least a hedge in some cryptocurrency, prolly both BTC and LTC, mostly just to help my families transition into whatever model i deemed more wholesome, that eliminated the dollar. i honestly don't believe that bitcoin will be allowed to supplant satan's monetary system; it is tiny right now, and all cryptocurrencies will prolly get stomped on under some pretext or other when the timing is right, so i wouldn't stay in too long there, either.

Really what i recommend is walking out your front door (with whoever feels led to follow) and never returning, and trusting God to take care of you. But yikes? With some means and a family underneath, i would prolly see that growing one's own food is like printing one's own money, and take steps in that direction--Earthship for a house, goat and chickens out back, permaculture and aquaponics up front or something? You can make most all of it, house included, from discards...

[ILG]

Originally Posted by shazeep

oh, nevermind then
um, as to what i would recommend, i would buy and hold at least a hedge in some cryptocurrency, prolly both BTC and LTC, mostly just to help my families transition into whatever model i deemed more wholesome, that eliminated the dollar. i honestly don't believe that bitcoin will be allowed to supplant satan's monetary system; it is tiny right now, and all cryptocurrencies will prolly get stomped on under some pretext or other when the timing is right, so i wouldn't stay in too long there, either.

Really what i recommend is walking out your front door (with whoever feels led to follow) and never returning, and trusting God to take care of you. But yikes? With some means and a family underneath, i would prolly see that growing one's own food is like printing one's own money, and take steps in that direction--Earthship for a house, goat and chickens out back, permaculture and aquaponics up front or something? You can make most all of it, house included, from discards...

Well, knowing about money issued as debt and the effect it has on this country, I have come to some different conclusions than you (maybe). I take a moderate approach. I live in a mortgaged house and have a mortgaged business. We do grow some of our own food, eat venison, are getting solar etc. Rome wasn't built in a day. I see nothing wrong with moderate prepping. People can prepare or survive to the extent of shutting out today for what might happen....or might not...in their lifetimes. If the economy crashes, we are all going down with it. I am a recovering idealist. Life is not perfect. But I intend to get what I can out of it.

[shazeep]

Well, personally i can't find much to disagree with there--i will say that i have gotten some clues that we are so disconnected from the way God would have us be living that a life of correct action would prolly be incomprehensible to us, me included. I also have to believe that God understands that.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Well, personally i can't find much to disagree with there--i will say that i have gotten some clues that we are so disconnected from the way God would have us be living that a life of correct action would prolly be incomprehensible to us, me included. I also have to believe that God understands that.

Agreed.