End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Aner and gune should be translated in 1 Timothy 2:9-15 in the same way as in 1 Peter 3:1-6: by “husband” and “wife” and not by “man” and “woman.” When Paul spoke elsewhere about man in relation to woman rather than about husband in relation to wife, he used other combinations of terms than aner and gune, as here. In Romans 1:26-27 he used arsen, man, in contrast with thelys, woman. Significantly, these two are the terms that most stress gender. Had Paul had the male sex and the female sex in mind in 1 Timothy 2:12, those terms would have been more appropriate.

Ahh yes, I knew it was coming. Here's what Dr. Daniel Wallace (leading Greek scholar & papyrologist of our day) told me in a personal email about this argument:

Gune and aner are words which mean 'adult female' and 'adult male' in their unmarked meanings. Only if there are sufficient contextual clues that husband and wife are in view do the words mean 'wife' and 'husband.' Generally speaking, the definite article or 'idios' (one's own) or a possessive pronoun is required to show that husband and wife are in the text. None of these things occur in 1 Tim 2. The article occurs in 1 Cor 11, but only because it is syntactically required by the construction. Both passages are clearly talking about the Christian community in worship, which would of course involve single adults and married couples. Take a look at other passages that are clearly speaking about husband and wife--e.g., Eph 5, 1 Peter 3--and you'll see that they use these signals to note that husband and wife are in view.


Sorry, this attempted dodge won't work neither syntactically, exegetically, nor grammatically.

Blessings....

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

If Paul had meant 1 Corinthians 14 and 1 Timothy 2 to apply to women (or females) in general, there was clearly a way in Greek to have done so. But the fact that he deliberately chose words that primarily translate in the New Testament as “husband” and “wife” seems to indicate a restricted meaning and application in these passages.

And, other than Young's (who had a propensity toward "women preachers"), how many linguists-translators have adopted the renderings "husband" & "wife" in these texts?

I've checked over 40 translations & every-single one of them translate these Greek nouns as simply "man" & "woman" (which is the very lexical definition of said nouns).

Guess "women preacher" advocates see something they alllll missed ?? Me smells an agenda in the house !

[KeptByTheWord]

While the men sit around and wave their "women in silence" scriptures around... souls aren't being saved or edified by this.

Jesus said, go ye into all the world, and preach in my name... this wasn't just to 12 disciples, this was a command given to all who would be partakers of the power from on high. Luke 24:47-49 Women were present on that day, and received the power from on high. They also received the gift with the promise... and the exhortation... go ye into all the world...

You see RDP... while you sit around talking about keeping your women in silence... you are hindering the gospel of Jesus Christ. Jesus didn't appear first to a man after his resurrection, he appeared to a woman, because she believed His words, unlike his disciples who had spent so much time with him. Without the willingness to obey the great commission by men AND WOMEN alike throughout the world, the gospel would still be sitting in Jerusalem.

So, go ahead, and spout off just how bad women preachers are, and keep your superior attitude while you're at it. Someday though, you'll stand in judgment surrounded with the millions of souls who heard the gospel because a WOMAN obeyed the great commission, and brought the good news to their ears. What will you have to say then?

And GOD BLESS you too

[Sister Alvear]

Nehemiah 6:7 in which we see clearly what a prophet does. "And thou hast also appointed prophets to preach of thee at Jerusalem." And also in Jonah 3:1, 2 we can see what God appointed this prophet to do, "And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying, Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.

So it is very clear and plain that preaching God's message is what prophets do and that a prophet is just a preacher in the true sense. So then we see that a prophet, both in the Old Testament and the New Testament, is a person that is called by God to declare His mind to the people.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

where are you running to????

Good night my friend...

No-where now .


Just kidding - already wasted too much time with this. I stand on the written word of God.

Be blessed any way Sis.

[Sister Alvear]

thought you had to run...why back so soon? Remember to be truthful...and if you say you are leaving then leave or how shall we believe anything you say?

[KeptByTheWord]

And.... how can a woman prophesy in church, if she is to keep silence? Those two scenarios just don't work. Women obviously prophesy in church, according 1 Cor. 11. But yet, according to you, women are to keep silent in church.

How then can a woman prophesy in silence? Hmmm.

[Sister Alvear]

and I am still your friend...

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Nehemiah 6:7 in which we see clearly what a prophet does. "And thou hast also appointed prophets to preach of thee at Jerusalem." And also in Jonah 3:1, 2 we can see what God appointed this prophet to do, "And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying, Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.

So it is very clear and plain that preaching God's message is what prophets do and that a prophet is just a preacher in the true sense. So then we see that a prophet, both in the Old Testament and the New Testament, is a person that is called by God to declare His mind to the people.

And it is very clear that Jonah did not exposit from the Scriptures. For about the 20th time - biblical prophecy is NOT a sermon from the Scriptures.

"Prophesy to us, thou Christ, who smote thee?" Did they expect Jesus to give them a "sermon from the Scriptures" or spontaneously-supernaturally reveal what was hidden from the natural eye?

Tell y'all what - I'll make it easy on ya'. Please show us just one-single example of a woman expositing from the Scriptures to a church congregation:_____________?

Been waiting on that blank to be filled-in for many, many moons now !

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

thought you had to run...why back so soon? Remember to be truthful...and if you say you are leaving then leave or how shall we believe anything you say?

Nice smoke in a mirror - & entirely irrelevant to the biblical data, but hey, any thing to skirt what the Bible says eh'?

Besides, "I" did not write the Bible .