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Old 01-19-2014, 12:01 AM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

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I start cooking in exaclty 3 hours...and am going to rest...and will not be back until ....No hard feelings on my part....we can be friends and see things different....
Yes M'aam - we will "see things different" (to put it mildly). Still respect your sacrifices though Sister.


Ok - I'm finally going to rest now also (believe it or not ).


Preaching 2 services tomorrow, then traveling for revival all next week - doubt I'll be on for a while (this is simply a rehash of old material any way).


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Old 01-19-2014, 12:04 AM
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Of course you may not know who she was...she was the prophetess to whom Josiah the king and Hilkiah the high priest looked for spiritual guidance (2 Kings 22).
LOL - well familiar with her, but notice she did not exposit from the very Scriptures that were brought to her by MEN - hmmmmm, quite telling .


She did what an OT "prophetess" did - spontaneously foretold of God's will for Josiah (umm, whom stood firm on the plain-written word of God...sound familiar? !) - not "preached a sermon".
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Old 01-19-2014, 12:08 AM
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Now, brothers and sisters, you know that members of the household of Stephanas were the first converts in Achaia, and they have devoted themselves to the service of the saints; I urge you to put yourselves at the service of such people, and of everyone who works and toils with them. --1 Corinthians 16:15-16




Get yourself up on a high mountain, O Zion, bearer of good news, Lift up your voice mighitly, O Jerusalem, bearer of good news; Lift it up, do not fear. Say to the cities of Judah, "Here is your God!" (Isaiah 40:9) In Hebrew the participles used as a noun and the verbs in this verse are in the feminine...
Which of the passages demonstrate a "woman preacher" of the Scriptures? I must've overlooked that part !


Besides, "Elders" is always in the Masculine-gender in the NT - never in the "feminine" that you've referenced above ! Will you be consistent in your gender usage?
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Old 01-19-2014, 12:14 AM
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Philip’s Daughters

Acts 21:9: And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy. Here we have a quartet of gospel women, who while living out their lives among heathen neighbors continued doing God’s will.
Notice these “girls” were in the company of Paul who said in 1 Corinthians 14:34,35: “women keep silence in the church.” Along with their father Philip, they were prophetesses. Do you think Paul said girls, don’t prophecy; it is not permitted for you to speak? Of course not!
To prophesy is to preach according to Webster (National Dictionary of English Language P. F. Collier & Son, New York 1937). Prophetess “female preacher” (Young’s Analytical Concordance pg. 781).
Some are quick to say they prophesied only in homes, and not in church, but Ephesians 4:12 says, “Even so ye, for as much as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church

Daniel "Webster" has absolutely nothing to do with Koine' Greek?? I cannot believe any one would seriously appeal to him for biblical "exegesis"??

Ahh yes, good ol' "Young's Concordance". Do you also believe him in Ecclesiastes 12 where he references "Creators"?


"12:1 Remember also thy Creators in days of thy youth,".


Tell us Sis. Alvear - Do you now equally believe in multiple "Creators"?? Why not - This is directly from "Young's Literal Translation"?? See why hardly any one appeals to him any more in academia??


Young (& any one else) will need to demonstrate a "woman preacher" from the biblical data - still waiting:__________?
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Old 01-19-2014, 12:15 AM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

For the record, RDP... the word of God is clear that women are commissioned to preach the GOSPEL to any soul to will listen. That is the great commission, given to every man, woman, and child who believes. If you have received the power of the spirit, you have received with that power, the great commission to go and preach the gospel.

There is a difference, however, in church discipline, and church order. I will go out on a limb here, and expose what God has shown me about HIS order.

God's order is simply this: God, Christ, man, woman, and child. The church is called the "bride" of Christ. Christ is the head, the leader, the husband. We (as believers) are the bride, the wife, the surrendered, the submitted group of believers. We (the church) do not tell Christ what to do... we are surrendered to Him, to His purpose, and His will.

Paul taught that this order carries down even further into the home. The husband is the head of the home, the wife is surrendered, and respects her husband, yet they complete each other and are one. One does not try to outdo the other, but they work together as a team, as once again, a beautiful picture of Christ and the church.

When this thought is logically applied to the church, it stands to reason that men would naturally be in leadership, but women would be work together to help, assist, and carry out whatever tasks necessary for team work to take place. There is not any place logically, allegorically or otherwise in scripture that would bear out the wife/woman telling the husband/man what to do.

The bride of Christ does not tell Christ what to do. The church is submitted to Christ, not Christ submitted to the church.

So, in carrying this parallel through to its completion, in the church, men should be in leadership and women likewise are partners, helpmates and team workers in the church. If you look at the picture of Christ/church, Husband/Wife, it stands to reason that church leadership be male - and that females would be submitted helpers, and team workers, etc.

However, this does not preclude women and children from the great commission. As long as a woman is preaching the gospel, or teaching other women/children, she is completely within her secure place. However, a woman should never overstep the boundaries of the allegory of Christ/church, husband/wife in the leadership arena of the church.

Preaching the gospel is something we are all called to do - man, women, and children. Yet, when it comes to authority, headship, and leadership, we must follow the principles outlined in scripture to be safely within the boundaries God has set forth for the church to stay within.

Yes, women have assisted in the gospel, have preached the gospel, and have been a vital part of the great commission... but keeping the allegory of Christ/church in mind, women must not seek to secure a leadership position/role in the church body, because that does not follow the order set forth from the very beginning of creation, and how men/women were designed.

God has a beautiful place for women in the church, and I believe women can preach the gospel... all souls can and should. But when it comes to headship, church discipline, and divine order... men and women should be careful to stay within the safe boundaries God has set up in his divine plan for the well being of all.

This is how I see it from the principles of the Word of God, not just from one scripture or two, that are twisted to somehow bring the context I want from some obscure lexicon, or translation. The reasoning I have set forth is based on principles of the Word of God, not cultural traditions, not semantics, not debate, and so really the principle cannot be argued with... unless one wants to argue that the church has a right to tell Christ what to do, the wife has a right to tell the husband what to do/a woman has a right to tell a man what to do. Those principles are not taught anywhere in scripture, to my knowledge.

With this understanding, it has brought great clarity to me to understand a woman's place in the church. Of course, she can prophesy. Of course she is able to speak concerning things pertaining to the gospel. But when it comes down to discipline, and authority, that is a place God designed for men to be, and since God was the one that ordered it from the beginning of creation, and with the parallels of Christ/church before us... who am I to argue with Him?

That is how I see it now. I'm hoping that now that I've stepped out on a limb here, that the branch will hold me
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AND AS A SIDE NOTE...I cringe when I see ladies that want to act and talk like men.
I know a lady who gets in the pulpit & hollers & screams, turning red-faced under the guise of supposed "anointing". I have seen her in action once in a testimony service & I wanted to go under my pew it was so embarrassing.

I attempted to pastor her once & it was an absolute nightmare - as it was for the next pastor after me also (he told me so). She's finally found a "pastor" who let's her do her thing & wonder of wonders - he's the best thing since sliced bread to her .

She is an indirect family member of mine & honestly, she's an embarrassment to both myself & my wife (most every one knows how she is). She has now called her husband to "preach" at almost 55 yrs. old (& he has never had a consistent prayer life) - all so she can have a pulpit any time she wants one.

She's the spiritual leader of the home too - Pitiful.
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Preaching 2 services tomorrow, then traveling for revival all next week - doubt I'll be able to be on for a while (this is simply a rehash of old material any way).
Bump - - God Bless to all any way.
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

What part of the country are you in for revival? Maybe some of us women preachers would like to come, and help you out
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

Good morning...in between running here and there and cooking just wanted to say all is well...You know I could put thousands of pages here but most of us KNOW what we believe and I for one am certain God called me at a very young age to be a missionary. I am not really able to do much anymore but there was a time.... God has blessed me on the mission field...It was on the mission field God gave me a wonderful husband and he has no problem with me speaking. He is 100 % behind anyone that is called of God. We do not have women knowcking over men in our work however we do have some very Godly ladies that work in His fields.
In fact my husband would sit down a lady or a man for that part if they got out of their place. I am thankful for good Godly leadership in Brother Alvear. I am blessed. Long ago Job said, He knoweth the way I take...So long before He ever called me He had a wonderful husband for me...so glad I came by faith and worked 4 lonely years on mission field....
Gotta go back to the kitchen...we are cooking for around 600 people today,,,and taking it to them! Oh, by the way got some men helping me in the kitchen...they don't seem to mind...the pans are very big....
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Anyone ever wonder why Paul's instruction for women to remain silent was given to a Jewish congregation and not echoed anywhere else?
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