End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by rdp

I did not respond because I never claimed she was in "witchcraft" & I have no earthy idea what you're talking bout ? I have said that when she gets up to "teach-preach" to men in the church - she's completely out of her God-given place (& she, as well as any other woman, certainly is) - but I have never said she was in "witchcraft" ??


Besides, I said I gave the financial support to the Alvear's church-mission - which I recognize as a "him" & not a "her" (though I have personally known men who could not support them in good conscience due to this very issue).


Anything other than the Word of God though eh' ?

You said she was in rebellion to the Word. The Bible says rebellion is the same as witchcraft...therefore...

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by rdp

Well, here we go again - same ol' arguments that have been addressed over & over & over .


Here is the actual definition of the noun translated "servant":

Original Word: διάκονος, οῦ, ὁ, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: diakonos
Phonetic Spelling: (dee-ak'-on-os)
Short Definition: a waiter, servant, administrator
Definition: a waiter, servant; then of any one who performs any service, an administrator.



Still not convinced - Hmmm, let's try another lexical source then:


2. a deacon, one who, by virtue of the office assigned him by the church, cares for the poor and has charge of and distributes the money collected for their use (cf. BB. DD., Dict. of Christ. Antiq., Schaff-Herzog under the word ; Lightfoot's Commentary on Philippians, dissert. i. § i.; Julius Muller, Dogmatische Abhandlungen, p. 560ff): Philippians 1:1; 1 Timothy 3:8, 12, cf. Acts 6:3ff; ἡ διάκονος, a deaconess (ministra, Pliny, epistles 10, 97), a woman to whom the care of either poor or sick women was entrusted, Romans 16:1 (cf. Dictionaries as above, under the word ; Lightfoot as above, p. 191; B. D. under the word ).



Your logic is the same that says, "Since most police officers wear dark-colored shirts - everyone who wears a dark shirt must be a police officer!"


Sorry - This dodge won't work either gals - Next?

Did you even read those verses? Most of them described Paul being a servant and Jesus as well. Were they waiters???

[Sasha]

The men continue to pick and choose. LOL!

[Sister Alvear]

haven't had time to look here today...busy busy...got a nice pp slide presentation for the Young people's specail service... telling the story of La Vern Collins and then going right into my life story. Hope my story will bless and encourage the young people....

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by rdp

LOL - The "silence" vs. "Speak" (equally translated "preach" !) charade has been explained until anyone with any common sense can understand the distinct contexts. Honestly, at this point it's just plain -out silly - despite how many times you "press-in" the issue . Worse, you made the SAME mistake AGAIN! I have shown over & over that in chapter 12 Paul (read carefully here) SWITCHES topics TO "the gifts of the Spirit" - which means he's NOT discussing the same subject in Chapter 11. What do you do when this pointed out? Plod along with your fingers stuck in your ears like it doesn't exist & continue to act like you've stumbled upon some great "revelation" (that only you seem infatuated with) .

Just what I expected, more of your condescending remarks, without addressing the issue raised in my post, that being that the word silence that was used was one that meant to still the crowd, or hold peace, or be silent. It didn't mean a woman could never speak, but it was addressing a specific situation, which would account for the fact that women can obviously speak in a church setting.

I have already outlined that a woman should never outstep the boundaries of headship set up by God, paralleled by the marriage relationship, and the Christ/church relationship. But the "silence" verses definitely do not mean a woman can never speak out loud in a church service, but that there is a time for speaking, and a time for silence. Paul was addressing the operation of the gifts of the spirit in 1 Cor. 14, and he was explaining that there is a time for all to be silent, so as not to have confusion and disorder.

Originally Posted by rdp

Yes, the passages are CLEARLY forbidding women to "preach-teach" men in a church-setting & you, nor anyone else, has (nor will ever) offer substantive exegesis, context, or grammar to either overthrow the multitude of verses (far more than "one or two") which CLEARLY forbid the same (I've been at this for a few years )! What will you continue to do? What "women-preachers" ALWAYS do - ignore or play-down the CLEAR force of I Tim. 2.11-3.15; I Cor. 14.34; Titus; Eph; James; etc. (still have many passages I could bring into the discussion) - all the while y'all keep harping about "prophecy" (which is NOT a sermon from the Scriptures anyway - & hence moot). It is an exceedingly weak attempt to cram in your doctrine & lifestyle preference into the biblical text - A text which clearly forbids the same!

Those passages teach women to keep their respectful place in the headship. Those passages do not silence women from being used in the gifts of the spirit, in prophesy, or in preaching the gospel. I have already said that the bishop/deacon/elder qualifications pertain to church government, and to parallel the headship of Christ/church, husband/wife, it would not seem fitting that a women would be in a leadership/church government position.

But being used to preach the gospel wherever there are hungry souls, keeping a humble, submissive attitude to Christ, and their husbands, and never seeking to usurp authority, then by all means, we see women being used mightily in the church all throughout the NT.

Originally Posted by rdp

Apparently y'all overlooked the definition of "teach" in I Tim. 2:12 - so here, let's try if again : "In the NT, this word nearly always means 'to expound from the Scriptures (the written Word of God)." "Ohhhhh, but this is only talking about a wife not teaching her husband in the home-order!" - Ummmm, watch his easy this is: No it's not ! What a silly argument - not to mention how this angle entirely defies context, the actual grammar of the text, syntax, exegesis, & hundreds upon hundreds of professional linguists - shame on y'all for handling the Word of God like that!

Here is the Strong's definition of "teach"

didaskó: to teach Definition: I teach, direct, admonish.
1321 didáskō (from daō, "learn") – to teach (literally, "cause to learn"); instruct, impart knowledge (disseminate information).

In the NT, 1321 /didáskō ("teach") nearly always refers to teaching the Scriptures (the written Word of God). The key role of teaching Scripture is shown by its great frequency in the NT, and the variety of word-forms (cognates).

So yes, it does refer to one expounding on, and teaching the scriptures. You have that point correct.

However, below is the lexicon definition of the setting of the verse with the particular meaning attached to it:

d. with the accusative of person and of thing, to teach one something (Winers Grammar, 226f (212); Buttmann, 149 (130)): (ἐκεῖνος ὑμᾶς διδάξει πάντα, John 14:26); τοῦ διδάσκειν ὑμᾶς τινα τά στοιχεῖα, Hebrews 5:12 (where R G T Tr and others read — not so well — τινα; (but cf. Buttmann, 260 (224) note, 268 (230) note)); ἑτέρους διδάξαι, namely, αὐτά, 2 Timothy 2:2; hence, passive διδαχθῆναι τί (Buttmann, 188 (163); Winer's Grammar, 229 (215)): Galatians 1:12 (ἐδιδάχθην, namely, αὐτό), 2 Thessalonians 2:15.

In the setting of I Tim. 2:12, let's inject that meaning into the scripture:
But I suffer not a woman to teach one something, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in quietness, stillness, silence.

Paul did make it clear that the woman should not be teaching/instructing, or otherwise usurping authority over the man, most likely husband. However, nothing is said about the word prophesy/preach here. Only the word "teach". So therefore it remains, that as long as a woman is not trying to wrest authority from her husband, and as long she is not trying to instruct him, then she has not overstepped her bounds.

The word Preaching (2097) in Greek is euaggelizó: to announce good news is a great example of where a woman can be found preaching the good news.

Acts 8: 4 "Therefore they that were scattered abroad went everywhere preaching the word." The word "they" had been qualified in the previous verse as "men and women".

Original Word: εὐαγγελίζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: euaggelizó
Phonetic Spelling: (yoo-ang-ghel-id'-zo)
Short Definition: I bring good news, preach good tidings
Definition: I bring good news, preach good tidings, with or without an object, expressing either the persons who receive the good news or the good news itself (the good news being sometimes expressed as a person).

So we see that there is a role that women play in preaching the gospel, but they are instructed by Paul to not teach, instruct, or otherwise play an authoritative role over men, in keeping with the parallel between Christ/church and husband/wife. There is a role for women in the kingdom of God to work in the church, to be helpers, servants, preachers, and teachers of other women, according to Paul. There is a place for women to be used in the church to edify the church in the gifts of the spirit, and in the spreading of the gospel.

[Abiding Now]

In John 4, Jesus speaks to the un-named Samaritan woman, she is amazed and goes into the city telling the men in the city about the Lord. The men come to see the Lord and many become believers in Jesus being the Messiah. Wonderful story of personal witnessing! I was wondering WHY, if the woman was an evangelist (as some have said) that "preached" to the men of the city, WHY did God in Acts 8 choose to send Philip the evangelist (Acts 21:8) to preached to them about the Holy Ghost and to baptize them in Jesus Name? And WHY did God send Peter and John to lay hands on them to receive the Holy Ghost? Could it be because the Samaritan woman did her part as a personal witness to introduce the men of Samaria to the Lord, but God still needed a preacher to preach to them, baptize them and lay hands on the men to receive the Holy Ghost?

Just wondering.

[Sasha]

Rare is the Individual Found who is Genuinely in Search of Biblical Truth.

Really? That's how you feel about most people you preach to? That's how you feel about most people you witness to?

That's sad.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Why all these big letters and colours.
Do you think we are blind?

Apparently so !

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sasha

You said she was in rebellion to the Word. The Bible says rebellion is the same as witchcraft...therefore...

Oh my goodness - soooo - well, never mind .

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sasha

Did you even read those verses? Most of them described Paul being a servant and Jesus as well. Were they waiters???

Ummm, did you even read the passages Pliny posted to you - were the examples he listed preachers in the 5-fold ministry ?



And, once again (as usual), no textual response to the evidences we've offered - just mere denial with nothing to support the same !



It's a plumb-silly argument .