Please Explain the Silencing of the Women

[Emma Bontrager]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Thank you Emma for the WORD OF GOD you just spoke (I dare not say preach cause I don't want to get you in a whole lotta hot water!) But it does my heart good to know that if I am to be saved in childbearing, I must get busy about the kingdom. My husband will be pleased, I'm sure, to bear me more children. What a relief to know that's all I need to do to be saved!!!!!!!

I am always happy to set those straight who veer from the true path. It is not me, it is God's Word. Anybody can read it and see for themselves. I am only holy as He makes me. I am His humble servant, washing the feet of my sistern and obeying my husband in all things and never, ever teaching him.

Just as Sarah called Abraham, Lord, we should treat our husbands as Lords over us, obeying him in all things, so if any are lost, they can be won just by our meekness. And those that are saved can Lord it over us as they please because Christian men never do anything wrong and always treat their wives perfectly.

(I need to go, my husband wants his dinner NOW!)

Emma

[KeptByTheWord]

I'm going to start calling my husband Lord. I believeth that will maketh him very proud.

And, I'll be sure to invite you to the baby shower. Pray for twins, quadruples even. I'd like to make every moment count towards my salvation.

[Emma Bontrager]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I'm going to start calling my husband Lord. I believeth that will maketh him very proud.

And, I'll be sure to invite you to the baby shower. Pray for twins, quadruples even. I'd like to make every moment count towards my salvation.

You mean you don't call him Lord already?? I am afeared for your soul, sister. I am glad you are seeking repentance.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Emma B. is not Mennonite. She is Amish.

So, how is the Mennonite church working out for you?

Ah; well, i came back to say that her position is great, and i agree with it. However, she has by God's Grace, or keen insight, come out of the world, and into a dedicated fold with sound shepherds. I wonder how she might feel if one of them was sexually abusing her, and his eldest son carried on the tradition until she got too old. Now i don't know if this would alter an opinion about the lawful, correct interp up there, but i do say that it might be giving slight to To everything there is a season and purpose, which might be stretching that verse some; but it might not.

It at least smacks to me of assuming one has a better definition of everything than God; and i think the point of the ambiguity is "don't judge." So i don't know about ashamed, but understand that there are others walking--or crawling--toward God, and He is not accusing them as far as i can see. peace to you, sister.

The Mennonite ladies seem free to remark in the church i visited several times, but it was a 'city' Mennonite church (pop 50,000). I thot it was cool. they were very relaxed. the congregation was very small, 8-12 of us, and so the reflections were not as comprehensive as i might have preferred, but other than that i would prefer to be there, or the Hidden Church of the Holy Cross--which is my little joke way of saying "there, or wandering around behind the little animals."

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by shazeep

oh, c'mon, sure it can. archie bunker expressed the dynamic perfectly; "edith, stifle yourself."

lol

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Ah; well, i came back to say that her position is great, and i agree with it. However, she has by God's Grace, or keen insight, come out of the world, and into a dedicated fold with sound shepherds. I wonder how she might feel if one of them was sexually abusing her, and his eldest son carried on the tradition until she got too old. Now i don't know if this would alter an opinion about the lawful, correct interp up there, but i do say that it might be giving slight to To everything there is a season and purpose, which might be stretching that verse some; but it might not.

It at least smacks to me of assuming one has a better definition of everything than God; and i think the point of the ambiguity is "don't judge." So i don't know about ashamed, but understand that there are others walking--or crawling--toward God, and He is not accusing them as far as i can see. peace to you, sister.

The Mennonite ladies seem free to remark in the church i visited several times, but it was a 'city' Mennonite church (pop 50,000). I thot it was cool. they were very relaxed. the congregation was very small, 8-12 of us, and so the reflections were not as comprehensive as i might have preferred, but other than that i would prefer to be there, or the Hidden Church of the Holy Cross--which is my little joke way of saying "there, or wandering around behind the little animals."

You seem to be addressing multiple concepts in one sentence, and it is hard to follow you. First you commend "Emma" for being Amish/Mennonite, and then begin to speak of sexual abuse? Not sure what you meant by that, and I cannot comprehend why you mention "to every thing there is a season" while you are also speaking of sexual abuse!

Secondly, have you really lived inside an Amish or Mennnonite community? Unfortunately, there is darkness, and evil present in those communities, even as any other gathering of believers. Satan knows no boundaries in pushing his agenda, and perhaps it is even worse in closed minded, legalistic communities, because those involved are not allowed to reason or think for themselves, but simply must conform.

We have become very close to a former Amish family. They became born again while Amish when a revival swept through Lancaster County, PA nine years ago. Because of being born again, they were ex-communicated from the Amish! Cut off from their families, shunned, and some terrible things happened to them. Yet, they are the most loving, kind, wonderful people of God you will ever meet. They are on a journey, as are we all.

But, they didn't find their peace in either the Amish or Mennonite groups. They found it in Jesus, and Jesus alone. As we must all.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Emma Bontrager

You mean you don't call him Lord already?? I am afeared for your soul, sister. I am glad you are seeking repentance.

While I was seeking repentance last night, I had a vision and the Lord called me to be a preacher. I don't know what to do about it. What should I do? If I disobey His calling, how shall I ever stand before Him with the blood of lost souls on my hands? Your godly advice is needed now, more than ever, dear Emma.

[Emma Bontrager]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

While I was seeking repentance last night, I had a vision and the Lord called me to be a preacher. I don't know what to do about it. What should I do? If I disobey His calling, how shall I ever stand before Him with the blood of lost souls on my hands? Your godly advice is needed now, more than ever, dear Emma.

We know you are wrong about this because the Word says so. Are you sure you were seeking repentance and not to do your own will? Visions can be from the enemy of your soul. You know you need to be pregnant and calling your husband Lord and never teaching him. Now just do it and put these ridiculous notions out of your mind! If you don't listen to me you are backslid, soon you will be bitter and have an axe to grind. Don't argue. Don't ask questions. Do the right thing!

[justlookin]

My wife calls me lard.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

You seem to be addressing multiple concepts in one sentence, and it is hard to follow you. First you commend "Emma" for being Amish/Mennonite, and then begin to speak of sexual abuse?

meaning that the death centric gentile church, in the client nation of the us, has not a finger to point at misconduct in the RCC, is what i mean, and it is the men's fault. you all put down JO bc he doesn't preach like his daddy--but he did not want a thing to do with the est'd church, and now i know why he wished to decline (to wander off into another non-sequitur.).

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Not sure what you meant by that, and I cannot comprehend why you mention "to every thing there is a season" while you are also speaking of sexual abuse!

sadly, while i did not mean to connect those, but the rise of women whose season was come to the decline of the men responsible, there is also sadly a connection there.

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Secondly, have you really lived inside an Amish or Mennnonite community? Unfortunately, there is darkness, and evil present in those communities, even as any other gathering of believers. Satan knows no boundaries in pushing his agenda, and perhaps it is even worse in closed minded, legalistic communities, because those involved are not allowed to reason or think for themselves, but simply must conform.

ya...but no one must do anything. my prayers are with them, as obviously satan sees it fit to attack them with their own tv show; yet i bet they are better than most. very legal tho, ya.

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

We have become very close to a former Amish family. They became born again while Amish when a revival swept through Lancaster County, PA nine years ago. Because of being born again, they were ex-communicated from the Amish! Cut off from their families, shunned, and some terrible things happened to them. Yet, they are the most loving, kind, wonderful people of God you will ever meet. They are on a journey, as are we all.

But, they didn't find their peace in either the Amish or Mennonite groups. They found it in Jesus, and Jesus alone. As we must all.

well, then i guess any shunners will be shunned. i fthey left because they were seeking Christ, then sounds like it worked out fine. i didn't realize it was that bad, yikes