Lets skip to the chase can a woman be the husband of one wife, that is the qualifications of a deacon, 1 Tim 3:12?! While a woman can serve (which is what minister and deacon implies) she cannot be a deacon, unless you would promote and embrace same sex marriages.
They were not preaching tables they were serving tables in Acts 6 (regardless of who actually served).
They were not preaching unto him of their substance in Luke 8:3, they were ministering unto Him of their substance. One can serve and minister without being a preacher.
Yes, the Bible clearly condemns any woman who "teaches-preaches" the Scriptures to men in the church - she is functioning outside of her God-given place - & as said before, we would get up & walk out.
Your posts are incoherent & seem to just ramble - hence, I do not really take them seriously anyway.
well, not trying to prove anything; and they weren't meant for you, so..."khakis."
Yep, that's me, old judgmental Abiding Now. BTW, God knowing me before I was born does not compute to individual predestination and how arrogant is "You cannot know", because YOU don't know does not limit anyone else.
no one knows. you do not know. the answer is different for different times, imo, which is the reason for the ambiguity. we see through a dark mirror--at least most of us do...
For he is the minister G1249 of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister G1249 of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
And this passage has absolutely nothing to do with the NT preaching-teaching ministry. Here is both the context & numerous translations of the passage you've appealed to:
1 Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. 3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; 4 The authorities are God's servants, sent for your good. But if you are doing wrong, of course you should be afraid, for they have the power to punish you. They are God's servants, sent for the very purpose of punishing those who do what is wrong.
Guess now you gals will be making every police officer a "preacher" ! Don't blame me - you did it to yourself !
New International Version
For the one in authority is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God's servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
New Living Translation The authorities are God's servants, sent for your good. But if you are doing wrong, of course you should be afraid, for they have the power to punish you. They are God's servants, sent for the very purpose of punishing those who do what is wrong.
English Standard Version
for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer.
New American Standard Bible
for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.
Holman Christian Standard Bible For government is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, because it does not carry the sword for no reason. For government is God's servant, an avenger that brings wrath on the one who does wrong.
International Standard Version
For they are God's servants, working for your good. But if you do what is wrong, you should be afraid, for it is not without reason that they bear the sword. Indeed, they are God's servants to administer punishment to anyone who does wrong.
NET Bible
for it is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be in fear, for it does not bear the sword in vain. It is God's servant to administer retribution on the wrongdoer.
GOD'S WORD® Translation The government is God's servant working for your good. But if you do what is wrong, you should be afraid. The government has the right to carry out the death sentence. It is God's servant, an avenger to execute God's anger on anyone who does what is wrong.
Silly - & yet one more example of why women should not be Bible "teachers-preachers" in the church (which this thread has well demonstrated ).
1Cr 3:5
Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers G1249 by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
2Cr 3:6
Who also hath made us able ministers G1249 of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2Cr 6:4
But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers G1249 of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
2Cr 11:15
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers G1249 also be transformed as the ministers G1249 of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
2Cr 11:23
Are they ministers G1249 of Christ? (I speak as a fool ) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft.
New International Version
Are they servants of Christ? (I am out of my mind to talk like this.) I am more. I have worked much harder, been in prison more frequently, been flogged more severely, and been exposed to death again and again.
Yet, we are told that women did everything Paul did - Hmmm, guess the women were equally "in prison more frequently, been flogged more severely, and been exposed to death again and again."
But that ye also may know my affairs, and how I do, Tychicus, a beloved brother and faithful minister G1249 in the Lord, shall make known to you all things:
If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; G1249
All my state shall Tychicus declare unto you, who is a beloved brother, and a faithful minister G1249 and fellowservant in the Lord:
Now, here is your error. There are places where this Greek noun is applied to preachers - such as Paul, Apollos, & Timothy. So what? This a perfect example of the "Equivocation Fallacy" wherein one paints with a broad brush regarding terms. This like saying, "Most police officers wear dark shirts, therefore every person wearing a dark shirt is a police officer." This is EXACTLY the type of logic you're using with this term.
To illustrate, the same cognate of this Greek noun is equally applied to Peter's mother-in-law who "served" Jesus:
"He touched her hand, and the fever left her, and she rose and began to serve him." (Mt. 8.15)
Also, the "servant" who filled the water pots with wine at the wedding of Cana are designated by this same Greek noun:
"His mother said to the servants (G1249 - διακόνοις), 'Do whatever he tells you'.” (John 2.5)
Tell us, was Peter's Mother-In-Law a "preacher-teacher" in the NT church? Was she "preaching sermons" to Jesus ? Were the "servants" at the wedding of Cana "preaching sermons" to everyone at the wedding ?
This is your error - The noun is lexically defined as:
Short Definition: a waiter, servant, administrator
Definition: a waiter, servant; then of any one who performs any service, an administrator.
1249 diákonos (from 1223 /diá, "thoroughly" and konis, "dust") – properly, "thoroughly raise up dust by moving in a hurry, and so to minister" (WP, 1, 162); ministry (sacred service).
[A. T. Robertson, "1249 (diákonos) properly means 'to kick up dust,' as one running an errand." 1249 (diákonos) is the root of the English terms, "diaconate, deacon."
This root (diakon-) is "probably connected with the verb diōkō, 'to hasten after, pursue' (perhaps originally said of a runner)" (Vine, Unger, White, NT, 147).]
2. a deacon, one who, by virtue of the office assigned him by the church, cares for the poor and has charge of and distributes the money collected for their use (cf. BB. DD., Dict. of Christ. Antiq., Schaff-Herzog under the word ; Lightfoot's Commentary on Philippians, dissert. i. § i.; Julius Muller, Dogmatische Abhandlungen, p. 560ff): Philippians 1:1; 1 Timothy 3:8, 12, cf. Acts 6:3ff; ἡ διάκονος, a deaconess (ministra, Pliny, epistles 10, 97), a woman to whom the care of either poor or sick women was entrusted, Romans 16:1 (cf. Dictionaries as above, under the word ; Lightfoot as above, p. 191; B. D. under the word ).
3. a waiter, one who serves food and drink:John 2:5, 9, as in Xenophon, mem. 1, 5, 2; Hier. 3, 11 (4, 2); Polybius 31, 4, 5; Lucian, de merced. cond. § 26; Athen. 7, p. 291 a.; 10, 420 e.; see διακονέω, 2 and διακονία, 5; (also Wetstein (1752) on Matthew 4:11). [SYNONYMS: διάκονος, δοῦλος, θεράπων, ὑπηρέτης: "διάκονος represents the servant in his activity for the work; not in his relation, either servile, as that of the δοῦλος, or more voluntary, as in the case of the θεράπων, to a person" Trench; yet cf. e. g. Romans 13:4; 2 Corinthians 6:4 etc.). δοῦλος opposed to ἐλεύθερος, and correlate to δεσπότης or κύριος, denotes a bondman, one who sustains a permanent servile relation to another. θεράπων is the voluntary performer of services, whether as a freeman or a slave; it is a nobler, tenderer word than δοῦλος. ὑπηρέτης according to its etymol. suggests subordination. Cf. Trench, § ix.; B. D. under the word ; Meyer on Ephesians 3:7; Schmidt, chapter 164.]
This noun simply denotes a servitude in various fashions (& we have demonstrated this over & over & over) - context will always be the determining factor in word meaning.
Continued......
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And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister G1249 of God, and our fellowlabourer in the gospel of Christ, to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith:
You might need to learn to check your sources more closely (trust me, we check them). There are equally Greek texts which do not contain this noun in this text.
Some texts reflect this noun as G1249, while others reflect G4904 - as the texts above demonstrate. Hence, there seems to be a textual variant in this passage - just sayin'.
1Ti 4:6
If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister G1249 of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
Ummm, okay - your point ?
Are you willing to admit that the above people named as 'diakonos' were merely servants and tablewaiters?
Are you willing to say that Peter's mother-in-law was "preaching-teaching" to Jesus ?
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They were not preaching tables they were serving tables in Acts 6 (regardless of who actually served).
They were not preaching unto him of their substance in Luke 8:3, they were ministering unto Him of their substance. One can serve and minister without being a preacher.
If you cannot see that you do not want to see it!
Which is precisely the predicament "women-teachers-preachers" place themselves in - they are simply doing what they want to do - despite the clear witness of Scripture .
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