End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Just go to the beginning of the thread and you will see your friends remarks

So you cannot document your assertions. Nothing new...

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

The first church went everywhere preaching the word of The Lord...

Based upon your theology, infants went everywhere "preaching" the word of the Lord. LOL!!!

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

It is ironic that people twist Paul's words "I do not permit a woman to teach" (1 Tim. 2:12, NKJV) in order to make a blanket prohibition against women teaching men, when in 2 Timothy 1:5 Paul commends Lois and Eunice for teaching Timothy the faith!....

Yes, and go study what age a male was considered a man....



Women teach in every church...a song, in testimony of how they trusted God for something...women teach SS school classes and even pray in loud voices....they cannot find a scripture saying women do not preach....they want to make one say something it does not say...

Sis Alvear, could you explain in a little more detail what you had in mind by the bolded, or will you ignore this question like so many others?

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

When Jesus said to Mary Magdalene, "'Go to My brethren and say to them, "I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God"'" (John 20:17), was He not affirming her as a witness of the gospel? Was He not commissioning her both to go and to speak for Him? Why then do we deny women the opportunity to carry this message?

Stupid post... This has been said so many times... The only way to continue this line of reasoning is to ignore the multitudes of witnesses against it. Kinda like trying to prove women preachers - only by ignoring scriptural principles and clear biblical mandates can it be argued. Tell a big enough lie long enough and someone somewhere might believe it...

Originally Posted by Pliny

This fundamental lack of knowledge has been seen consistently over and over in spite of the many times it has been said that women should witness and seek to be used in the gifts of the Spirit yet still there remains a stubborn willful ignorance to the facts. We even saw earlier where she made up her own facts that are patently false - the idea that Paul would never quote from the Talmud or the writer of Corinthians was quoting the Talmud (something to that effect) is patently false because the Talmud, specifically the Mishna was not began until the end of the 2nd century or the early third century.

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Originally Posted by Pliny

One more time. All should witness, all should seek to be used of God and everyone has a place in the kingdom of God. Men are not any better than women and there is nothing more beautiful than a godly woman. Likewise, there is nothing more ugly than a woman trying to be a man or vice versa. There is a created order. Man was created first. The woman was deceived not the man. These are the arguments of Paul. The Elders, men, are tasked with feeding the flock of God - a bishop must be the husband of one wife.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...76#post1301576

Originally Posted by Pliny

Object lesson once again. Everyone should be encouraged to witness and be used in the gifts of the Spirit. Only men, and few of them, are called to be bishops/elders feeding the flock of God.

You just cannot seem to understand fundamental concepts which is an object lesson as to why women should not teach or preach - to act as bishops/elders.

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Originally Posted by Pliny

Once again...
Everyone should witness and seek to be used in the gifts of the Spirit. The leading of the church, the teaching and preaching - feeding God's flock is the role of a man. The fact that so many women cannot understand that basic fundamental fact is an object lesson in why women should not be allowed to do so. The feeding of the flock is to the elders (Acts 20:17; 28). These elders are the bishops that were the husbands of one wife.

To take this logic would mean that no one needs a shepherd because they can all teach some body some thing. It is this spirit precisely that Got Miriam and Aaron into trouble.

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[Pliny]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

You know, I know you guys take this serious, and of course, I know the issue is a serious one.

But really... doesn't anyone see that what we are really on is a battle of personal interpretation over a couple of scriptures where culture, translation, and interpretation surely plays a huge role in its concept?

Can't you guys accept that some understand the passages differently than you? You surely don't have a "thou shalt" or "thou shalt not" in clear verbiage, instead having only proof for your concept using translations that might have one word in the definition that speaks to your case.

So... anyway, my point in all this is just to say.... it's become comical. That's all.

Of course I understand and accept some people will never accept what it says just as I accept the fact that many will never accept what Acts 2:38 says. However, I will not amend my message to fit a failed interpretation to make someone else feel good about themselves. I will stand upon the word of God and let it be the final arbiter of truth.

[Praxeas]

ABC Women's Institute, September 19, 1997

God commands all Christian women to be silent and not to teach men - or does he?

1Tim. 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Why this couldn't be a command for all Christian people through all time!

Questions to ask when confronted by difficult texts:

1. To whom was this epistle written?

2. What was the purpose of this epistle?

3. How does what Paul says in the verse relative to a woman teaching comport with what is said elsewhere in the New Testament?

4. What is said about women teaching, preaching or prophesying in other places in scripture?

1. Adam and Eve, in the beginning, were given equal responsibility. Genesis Gen. 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

2. Jesus used the ideal conditions that existed in the beginning to give a new testament command. Matt. 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Matt. 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Matt. 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

3. There is no time in scripture when women were forbidden to teach, preach or prophecy. God used women in all ages including but not limited to New Testament times. Old Testament Women who prophesied - Miriam - Numbers 26:59, 1Chron 5:29 ; Sarah - Genesis 21:10 cf Galatians 4:30 ; Deborah - Judges 4:4-6, Judges 5:1,7, 12, 13, 31 ; Huldah - 2Kings 22:14-20 ; Noadiah Neh 6:14 Etc. In addition to this the Old Testament forsees the Christian time when daughters would prophecy - Joel 2:28,29. And this in spite of the fact that the world was fallen and that the prediction of Genesis 3:16 had come to pass. Still, God used women. Why, then, should Christian women put interdicted?

1 Tim 2:1-15

Women forbidden to teach men? Women to keep silence?

1Tim. 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. (why would Paul want to limit God's messengers to men only when he wants all the world to be saved?) 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; (Paul is opposing the most radical feminism the world has ever seen. In Ephesus, many women believed that only a woman, because of her position as child-bearer<= could communicate ultimate truth. A woman was the sole interpreter. Many also believed that the woman was the originator of man, that she was the authentic one [authentein]) 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. 7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting (wrathful passion and dialogismos, dispute) .

9 In like manner also, that women (pray with uplifted hands) adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety (modesty and good sense); not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; (women retained one slave to arrange their hair while a second stood by with a whip to lash the unfortunate beautician - Juvenal, p. 75 of Kroeger - Apuleius considered braids seductive. Ostentation in dress was considered a sign of promiscuity in the ancient world)

10 But (which becometh women professing godliness (professing means witnessing) with good works.

11 Let the woman learn (Rabbi's forbid women to learn) in silence (The Rabbinic scholar was required to learn in silence - based upon Zech 2:13, Hab 2:20, Isa. 41:1,, were required to “be still” Ps 46:10. Rabbi Isaac said, “What should be a man's pursuit in this world? He should be silent. Silence was the duty of the learner. Silence and submission is a Near Eastern formula implying willingness to heed and obey instruction. The original appliication is one of attentiveness and receptivity to God. The command that women should learn is marked contrast to the foolish women, 1 tim 3:6,7, who are ever learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth. Paul would arm women with truth so that they might stand against error. Why would any true proclaimer of the gospel ever restrict who may learn or who might teach. Paul's concerns are for peace, propriety and a knowledge of the truth.) with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. (Paul attacks a highly unorthodox myth involving Adam, Eve, and the serpent) 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in (Paul defends feminine functions. dia, - during, throughout, within an attendant circumstance, while still possessing that function that most sets her apart from man) childbearing, if they (they, women and all Christians) continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Did Paul believe that no woman should teach? May this scripture be used to teach a doctrine which is contradicted elsewhere?

Women prophesied. It was predicted that they would. Joel 2:28; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, They did! Acts 2:17 your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,...

Paul allowed prophecy from women 1Cor 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

Prophecy is speaking to “edification [teaching or building up], exhortation and comfort.” 1Cor. 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

Old Testament women prophesied, Deborah, Esther, Jael, Sarah (Genesis 21:The New Testament would not reduce the abilities of women to participate. The New Testament in which women as well as men were filled with the Spirit would not reduce women's opportunitites to participate.

Women taught under Paul's ministry, Acts 18:26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly. 1Cor. 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

Even the Old Testament allowed women to learn, Deut. 31:12 Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the LORD your God, and observe to do all the words of this law:

Both Paul and Jesus allowed women to learn, Luke 10:42 But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.

Conclusion: If Paul does not want some women to teach, it is not because they are women, but rather because they are unlearned, incompetent, or are teaching error. If the church should bar all incompetent teachers, it would have to bar men who teach that women should not teach.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

It is ironic that people twist Paul's words "I do not permit a woman to teach" (1 Tim. 2:12, NKJV) in order to make a blanket prohibition against women teaching men, when in 2 Timothy 1:5 Paul commends Lois and Eunice for teaching Timothy the faith!....

Yes, and go study what age a male was considered a man....



Women teach in every church...a song, in testimony of how they trusted God for something...women teach SS school classes and even pray in loud voices....they cannot find a scripture saying women do not preach....they want to make one say something it does not say...

Another stupid post. It has been said how many times now?
Women should witness.
Women should seek to be used in the gifts of the Spirit.
Women, like men, should train up their children in the way they should go. The post above is stupid because this person is misrepresenting the scripture. The ladies mentioned, Lois and Eunice, are the grandmother and mother of Timothy (see below). It has NOTHING to do with feeding the flock of God and EVERYTHING to do with raising children. It is bad enough when false witnesses are given against me and others but to blatantly twist the scripture is abhorrent.

The fact that I and others have said over and over that women can be and should seek to be used of God underscores the false witness testimony against us when it is said that we think a woman cannot witness etc.


(2Ti 1:5 KJV) When I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice; and I am persuaded that in thee also.


Edited to add:
(Exo 20:16 KJV) Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

[Praxeas]

Evidence of Conflict and false doctrine in Ephesus according to the Pastorals

The problem was not that women were teaching. The problem was in regard to what they were teaching!

Ephesus was the seat of the greatest false teachings in the history of the earth!

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

1Tim. 1:3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. 5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: 6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; 7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. 8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

1Tim. 1:19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: 20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

1Tim. 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. 6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained. 7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness. 8 For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come. 9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. 10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

1Tim. 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

1Tim. 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: 21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

2Tim. 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus, 2 To Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord. 3 I thank God, whom I serve from my forefathers with pure conscience, that without ceasing I have remembrance of thee in my prayers night and day; 4 Greatly desiring to see thee, being mindful of thy tears, that I may be filled with joy; 5 When I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice; and I am persuaded that in thee also. 6 Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands. 7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. 8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God; 9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, 10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel: 11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles. 12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day. 13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us. 15 This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes.

2Tim. 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. 15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

2Tim. 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

2Tim. 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

2Tim. 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

2Tim. 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Titus 1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. 12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. 13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. 15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. 10 A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject; 11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

New International Version
What then shall we say, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each of you has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. Everything must be done so that the church may be built up.

New Living Translation
Well, my brothers and sisters, let's summarize. When you meet together, one will sing, another will teach, another will tell some special revelation God has given, one will speak in tongues, and another will interpret what is said. But everything that is done must strengthen all of you.

English Standard Version
What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for building up.

New American Standard Bible
What is the outcome then, brethren? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.

King James Bible
How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
What then is the conclusion, brothers? Whenever you come together, each one has a psalm, a teaching, a revelation, another language, or an interpretation. All things must be done for edification.

International Standard Version
What, then, does this mean, brothers? When you gather, everyone has a psalm, teaching, revelation, foreign language, or interpretation. Everything must be done for upbuilding.

NET Bible
What should you do then, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each one has a song, has a lesson, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all these things be done for the strengthening of the church.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
I say therefore, my brethren, that whenever you gather, whoever among you has a Psalm, let him speak, or whoever has a teaching, or whoever has a revelation, or whoever has a language, or whoever has a translation, let all things be done for edification.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
So what does this mean, brothers and sisters? When you gather, each person has a psalm, doctrine, revelation, another language, or an interpretation. Everything must be done to help each other grow.

Jubilee Bible 2000
How is it then, brothers? when ye come together, each one of you has a psalm, has doctrine, has tongues, has revelation, has interpretation. Let all things be done unto edification.

King James 2000 Bible
How is it then, brethren? when you come together, every one of you has a psalm, has a doctrine, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

American King James Version
How is it then, brothers? when you come together, every one of you has a psalm, has a doctrine, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done to edifying.

American Standard Version
What is it then, brethren? When ye come together, each one hath a psalm, hath a teaching, hath a revelation, hath a tongue, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

Douay-Rheims Bible
How is it then, brethren ? When you come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a revelation, hath a tongue, hath an interpretation: let all things be done to edification.

Darby Bible Translation
What is it then, brethren? whenever ye come together, each [of you] has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done to edification.

English Revised Version
What is it then, brethren? When ye come together, each one hath a psalm, hath a teaching, hath a revelation, hath a tongue, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

Webster's Bible Translation
How is it then, brethren? when ye are assembled, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a language, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done to edification.

Weymouth New Testament
What then, brethren? Whenever you assemble, there is not one of you who is not ready either with a song of praise, a sermon, a revelation, a 'tongue,' or an interpretation. Let everything be done with a view to the building up of faith and character.

World English Bible
What is it then, brothers? When you come together, each one of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has another language, has an interpretation. Let all things be done to build each other up.

Young's Literal Translation
What then is it, brethren? whenever ye may come together, each of you hath a psalm, hath a teaching, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation? let all things be for building up;



Everyone.....hath.....not just men but everyone...

This has now entered the realm of a false witness. It is supposed that I and others believe women have no role to play at all. Yet it has been said over and over:

Originally Posted by Pliny

This fundamental lack of knowledge has been seen consistently over and over in spite of the many times it has been said that women should witness and seek to be used in the gifts of the Spirit yet still there remains a stubborn willful ignorance to the facts. We even saw earlier where she made up her own facts that are patently false - the idea that Paul would never quote from the Talmud or the writer of Corinthians was quoting the Talmud (something to that effect) is patently false because the Talmud, specifically the Mishna was not began until the end of the 2nd century or the early third century.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...50#post1301550

Originally Posted by Pliny

One more time. All should witness, all should seek to be used of God and everyone has a place in the kingdom of God. Men are not any better than women and there is nothing more beautiful than a godly woman. Likewise, there is nothing more ugly than a woman trying to be a man or vice versa. There is a created order. Man was created first. The woman was deceived not the man. These are the arguments of Paul. The Elders, men, are tasked with feeding the flock of God - a bishop must be the husband of one wife.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...76#post1301576

Originally Posted by Pliny

Object lesson once again. Everyone should be encouraged to witness and be used in the gifts of the Spirit. Only men, and few of them, are called to be bishops/elders feeding the flock of God.

You just cannot seem to understand fundamental concepts which is an object lesson as to why women should not teach or preach - to act as bishops/elders.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...77#post1301577

Originally Posted by Pliny

Once again...
Everyone should witness and seek to be used in the gifts of the Spirit. The leading of the church, the teaching and preaching - feeding God's flock is the role of a man. The fact that so many women cannot understand that basic fundamental fact is an object lesson in why women should not be allowed to do so. The feeding of the flock is to the elders (Acts 20:17; 28). These elders are the bishops that were the husbands of one wife.

To take this logic would mean that no one needs a shepherd because they can all teach some body some thing. It is this spirit precisely that Got Miriam and Aaron into trouble.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...79#post1301579


The scriptures serve to underscore what I and others have said multiple times, too many to count. Therefore, it is a false witness to try to use this as though we somehow disagree when the facts are we have agreed multiple times as illustrated above. The Bible states clearly:

(Exo 20:16 KJV) Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.


Women have a tremendous role to play in church yet scripturally the feeding of the flock is the role of a male. This has been shown time and time again yet we continue to get twisted scripture and false testimonies such as Mary witnessing about the raising of Jesus etc. Which we have confirmed is a beautiful example of what women can do. The gifts of the Spirit are another beautiful example of how women and men can be used.

Therefore, I would appreciate the stoppage of the false testimonies and acceptance of what has been said multiple times...

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by RJR

2 Tim3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Another reason you have no business positioning yourself to teach scripture.