End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Sorry I run that together

Sister Alvear, it is easy to do with a mobile device, anyone can make that type of mistake, no need of an apology.

What does concern me is that for over 200 + pages terms like male and female, man and woman keeps getting put together as well. It does not seem to matter if it is purported from the Bible, mobile device, or computer the same sad results keep occurring. Perhaps an apology could be forthcoming for this problem.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

That is not true....why do you try to make me out A liar? I need to get to my computer to verify if I remember the exact age because if I misquotefrommemoryyousurewill call me some kind of name....I am traveling in a car But hope to get to a hotel soon...

Oh my goodness - why can't "women-preachers" see that they have the "Victim-Complex" ? Everybody's out to get 'em !


To my knowledge I have never "called you a name"?? You are in defiance to clear Scripture, but I have never personally "called you a name" ?


Better document your resources well - If you are going where I think you are - it will not be pretty !

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by RJR

Sasha, I want to know before I proceed, are you saying that a woman witnessing and prophesying is the same as serpent seed doctrine and "no Jesus name doctrine?"

No.

I can produce the passages where women were told they would witness and prophesy, can you produce one where a woman was told to PREACH? You give your verses and then I will produce mine.

Show me a verse where a woman prophesied in the NT. Not that they would. But that they DID.

Not that I personally care, since I'm not the one who has to see it specifically in scripture to believe that it pertains to me and my children. YOU are the one wanting specifics.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by RJR

No need for 1 Cor 11 instructions on hair, because Sis Avear says no male or female in Christ. Sis Alvear, we will not be surprised to see you wearing that which pertains to a man, since you say no male or female in Christ. Put your endorsement on same sex marriages, since in Christ there is no males or females. No head of the woman, since there is no males or females in Christ.

Obviously, the reference is the message is the same to females-males, young-old, jews-gentiles, free-slave.

Since 1 Tim is talking about the home. A woman must learn in silence in the home. She cannot ask her husband in the home, unless in full agreement with him, because she is to learn in silence with ALL SUBJECTION. In spite of the fact 1 Cor 14 tells her to ask her husband at home. Since according to Sis Alvear, 1 Tim 2 is about the home, dealing with husband and wife, I guess only single women can preach because a married women cannot exercise authority over the man.

Originally Posted by rdp

Oh my goodness - why can't "women-preachers" see that they have the "Victim-Complex" ? Everybody's out to get 'em !


To my knowledge I have never "called you a name"?? You are in defiance to clear Scripture, but I have never personally "called you a name" ?


Better document your resources well - If you are going where I think you are - it will not be pretty !

Sis. Alvear has stated several times that she isn't a preacher. Unlike Pliny, I'm not going to quote her multiple posts where she says this, but perhaps he will if you need them.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sasha

This is exactly how errors in doctrine occur. Take an instance here, pull a definition from there, use an example over there, stir it up with lack of mention and VOILA!! You have serpent seed doctrine, snake handling doctrine, and no Jesus name baptism doctrine.

You also excuse women to do things that are also not mentioned in scripture with specifics you claim are lacking when it comes to women preaching. You say they can witness but I don't see where a woman in scripture ever did that. You said they can prophesy but I don't see a woman prophesying in the NT.

You can have it both ways. If you just stick to what scripture says and not add your own interpretation to it, you can't go wrong.

Originally Posted by Sasha

Sis. Alvear has stated several times that she isn't a preacher. Unlike Pliny, I'm not going to quote her multiple posts where she says this, but perhaps he will if you need them.

Ladies and gentleman, please delete all occasions of Jesus name baptism in your Bibles, go out and buy some snakes, and subscribe to the serpent seed doctrine, while Sashha tries to find missionary, and then to double her jeopardy, she is going too try to find a female missionary in the Bible.

Is this the same woman who needed to have "specifics in scripture so we would not subscribe to serpent seed, snake handling, and no Jesus name baptism."

I see her requirements are only for others, however she did try to explain away the direct quote from scripture, its usage in other places, and its definitions from the Greek, as well as the glaring facts of no woman evangelist, missionary, priest, apostle chosen by Christ, qualifications for female bishops or deacons.

[Praxeas]

Sis Alvear. Did you read my posted article?

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sasha

No.



Show me a verse where a woman prophesied in the NT. Not that they would. But that they DID.

Not that I personally care, since I'm not the one who has to see it specifically in scripture to believe that it pertains to me and my children. YOU are the one wanting specifics.

As to your answer to the first question, good!

As to your first question in this post, Paul was addressing the proper approach to prophecy, in this passage he is bringing order to something they are doing, prayeth and prohesieth. Notice also verse 13, Paul was not asking if it in some future time would be comely, he was asking was it comely for them to presently pray uncovered. Here is the passage.

1Co 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

1Co 11:13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?

Also, I am not going to let you by with this last comment you made above.

Originally Posted by Sasha

Not that I personally care, since I'm not the one who has to see it specifically in scripture to believe that it pertains to me and my children. YOU are the one wanting specifics.

You are the one who brought specifics into the discussion, remember this post?

Originally Posted by Sasha

This is exactly how errors in doctrine occur. Take an instance here, pull a definition from there, use an example over there, stir it up with lack of mention and VOILA!! You have serpent seed doctrine, snake handling doctrine, and no Jesus name baptism doctrine.

You also excuse women to do things that are also not mentioned in scripture with specifics you claim are lacking when it comes to women preaching. You say they can witness but I don't see where a woman in scripture ever did that. You said they can prophesy but I don't see a woman prophesying in the NT.

You can have it both ways. If you just stick to what scripture says and not add your own interpretation to it, you can't go wrong.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Sis Alvear. Did you read my posted article?

I did and it was pitiful! I will show you how sad and yet hilariously shallow it is with just one excerpt. Notice the author surely doesn't have an agenda here. How else could you exegete out of 1 Tim 2:5, that "Paul is opposing the most radical form of feminism the world has ever seen?" Paul is talking about one God and the office of a mediator, and Praxeas' hero is exegeting feminism.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

ABC Women's Institute, September 19, 1997

God commands all Christian women to be silent and not to teach men - or does he?

1Tim. 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. (why would Paul want to limit God's messengers to men only when he wants all the world to be saved?) 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; (Paul is opposing the most radical feminism the world has ever seen. In Ephesus, many women believed that only a woman, because of her position as child-bearer<= could communicate ultimate truth. A woman was the sole interpreter. Many also believed that the woman was the originator of man, that she was the authentic one [authentein]) 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

If this is your authority I would be looking for some backup somewhere.

[Sister Alvear]

Well we finally arrived and I arrived very sick but to keep my word at least in part as I don't feel good at this moment.

The reason I mentioned age is that I remembered in the Jewish history class I teach that boys were considered men...Here is what we have learned...Around the age of 12, the boys were given special classes at local synagogues to read and write Scripture especially in view of the Bar Mitzwah ceremony. This right made them certified mature Jews with specific rights and duties which woman could not have.

So if they were considered a man at 12 then we have a woman teaching a man...remember we are dealing with the jewish culture not the American culture.


In Paul's letter to Timothy (II Timothy 1:5) he tells us that the apostle Timothy followed the faith of his grandmother Lois and his mother Eunice. Chapter 3:15 tells us that from childhood Timothy had learned the sacred Scriptures. Timothy's mother was Jewish, but his father was a Gentile. We may infer that Lois and Eunice taught Timothy the Scriptures, introduced him to Jesus, and brought him up in the faith. Evidently they did a good job, for Timothy became Paul's closest assistant, accompanying him on his missionary travels and eventually becoming bishop of Ephesus according to church history.
Joel's prophecy that "Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy." A study of the ministry of Biblical prophets shows that prophecy was not limited to telling future events, but also included expounding God's Word and exhorting His people to turn to God and repent. So, for women to prophesy necessarily means that they preach and teach God's Word under His authority.

Remember you have agreed that a woman can prophecy...Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

The Bible tells us that EVERYONE who DOES prophesy speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort" and "builds up the church." So everyone who prophesies speaks to MEN. Therefore, if women do prophesy, then they do speak to men for their building up, strengthening, and encouragement. EVERYONE who prophesies does so "so that all (including MEN) may learn and all may be comforted. Thus, the teaching function is inherent in prophecy." (vss 29-31) So if women do prophesy, that involves their teaching men because EVERYONE who prophesies teaches men. And I have shown you over and over again where in both the Old and New Testament that women prophesy.

I am not saying that women should in a general sense be over men however I am saying God has used and uses women to speak to men.

It would be wrong for me to let a dying man die without Christ and me not speak to him because he is a man...That would be against all the teachings of the NT.

I am NOT parading manly women...God forbid...neither sissy men....I have NO problem Brother Alvear leading the way for us and for thousands of precious souls. Speaking of my husband I saw him sit a woman down...however I have seen him sit men down too!

I am saying ladies such as Sister Agnes Holmes, Sister Nona Freeman, Sister Bobbie Wendell, Sister Mary Williams, sister Rita Dawson and others were called and led the way to heaven for many people. I am thinking of Pastor Siscel from the state of Washington that walked in off the street a hippe and received the Holy Ghost while Sister Holmes was preaching in Mississippi...

I honor these great women.... that have worked the fields...

[Sister Alvear]

sorry so scatterd I have a busting headache...
No Praxeas but I will...Blessings to you.