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Old 04-15-2014, 05:41 PM
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Re: Why Do You Believe Jesus is God?

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Why do you think that the author of this verse did not write it this way?

In the beginning was Jesus the Word and
Jesus the Word was with God and Jesus the Word was God.
And Jesus the Word (which was God) was MADE FLESH.

Please if you will, answer this question,
to the best you can?
Because before being flesh and named Jesus, He was the Word according to John.

Also I presume John expected his audience to have some intelligence and cognitive ability to read
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Old 04-15-2014, 05:42 PM
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Re: Why Do You Believe Jesus is God?

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I don't believe "Jesus the man" is God.

I believe Jesus the person is both God and Man
I believe that you are deceived about what you believe.
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Old 04-15-2014, 05:43 PM
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Hmmmm.....

Did Jesus care? Did the Apostles care?
What does this have to do with me?
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And in rebuttal to this you have said, I would say to you

I wouldn't worry too much about it because there are millions who do not understand that Jesus was Michael the arch angel manifested in the flesh. I myself have a hard time understanding why people just don't get it.

Come on man.

Get real!
Are you saying Jesus is Michael the arch angel?
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I believe that you are deceived about what you believe.
So? I don't care what you believe
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What does this have to do with me?
Because you said YOU don't care but that you were SENT by God.
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Because before being flesh and named Jesus, He was the Word according to John.
This is incorrect.
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Because you said YOU don't care but that you were SENT by God.
And?????????
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Are you saying Jesus is Michael the arch angel?
No
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I am debating them right now on the Internet
that claim Jesus is Michael the archangel. And they
like you have given me verses where they point to it and
say to me...see right there it is talking about Jesus.

JUST LIKE YOU


And just like you...they have a theory about why
it is the scriptures they pointed out is what they say it is.
We know it's talking about the WORD and the word was GOD and the WORD became flesh (Jesus), That's what I said.

Need those verses again?

Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Joh 1:15 (John bore witness about him, and cried out, "This was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.'")
Joh 1:16 And from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace.
Joh 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
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  4. That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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