Oneness Questions

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Sean

Luke, sorry, I think I am good with the thread "the man Christ Jesus". It is not my problem that you believe in a triune God.

I never got any answers from you in those threads, like...

"Who was the Father of Jesus"?...The Father or the Holy Ghost. (Mary was found with child of the Holy Ghost) Who can claim paternity or did Jesus have 2 fathers.....

Or is Jesus in the Godhead, or is the Godhead in Jesus?.....

I am weary of answering the same question over and over again. I was trying to help some newbies that I have not spoke to about my ideas. You insist on a debate and we already did one. I send anyone interested to that site. You unwittingly "helped" me express my point of view regarding the Godhead. You asked me that same mormon thing over there and I put it to rest.

You are free to ask something new, but I cannot keep saying the same thing again and again. I may have to "refer you" to the "other" thread for reminders.

And for my questions....I still silently wait...and wait...and wait....

I did answer those questions multiple times in the other thread. If you care to look back you could see that but for the sake of those now reading I will again answer the questions.

1. Jesus answers the question as tho His Father for Himself and it is always God the Father to whom He points. Yet at the same time in all literalness to say that Jesus had a Father is to imply that He had a beginning which is false. In the sense of His earthly body yes there was a beginning but to Jesus Himself there is no beginning or ending.

2. As to the Godhead and how Jesus relates to it. He is both in it and it is in Him. He alone took on a bodily form therefore it is true that in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily but at the same He also is as Paul says equal with God (the Father) no one goes around speaking of how they are equal with them self to do so would be pointless.

Now please answer my question do you believe that man can become God?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sean

I dont know if you read my other threads I referred to from a couple months ago(the man Christ Jesus).....let me try to clarify brother.


Jesus, NEVER physically pre-existed. He was the 2nd Adam(the first Adam was created from dust and was "a" son of God, the second Adam was created in the "egg" of Mary and became the "only begotten"(only conceived) son of God. They were both equally human, but made differently.


Now The Father(GOD), chose to dwell in His "only begotten" son(Jesus), unlike Adam in the garden. The first Adam sinned and the second Adam did not sin.(I believe with the help of the Holy Ghost).

Actually, the Father that was in Jesus was otherwise known as the Holy Ghost. Luke 4:1 Jesus, being a man, was FILLED with the Holy Ghost.

Jesus died and resurrected, and now is the Image of God for us to worship. God without some kind of Image, is like worshipping the wind or electricity. You can feel it but it cant be seen . God, wanting to get more "personal"(seen) with mankind , created Jesus.
2 Cor. 5:19...says... "to wit(or to understand) that GOD(FATHER) was IN(INSIDE) Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself(God or the Father)

He is inside of a glorified human body now(the body of Jesus), and all that it entails, to have real fellowship with us. He now insists on us to go through an Image(Jesus)....


Its not 2 persons, Its 1 God "inside" 1 Man(glorified Jesus)


I would say as I said above in the previous thread.... A glorified man that has been given all power(that had none of his own originally) that is called by the Creator (our image) to worship, and is "containing" the "fullness" of this Creator ...is God to me!

It sounds like two persons.

You said

"He was the 2nd Adam(the first Adam was created from dust and was "a" son of God, the second Adam was created in the "egg" of Mary and became the "only begotten"(only conceived) son of God. They were both equally human, but made differently.


Now The Father(GOD), chose to dwell in His "only begotten" son(Jesus), unlike Adam in the garden. The first Adam sinned and the second Adam did not sin.(I believe with the help of the Holy Ghost)."

That's two persons. God and a man. You have one God person and one human person.

Word for word, what you said is what Unitarians say. They have a God and a man. God in Jesus. Two Persons.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

You don't know? Or just setting him up?

Anyway I embrace the words "Jesus Only".

To me it means he is the only one who is God as opposed to two others.

To you...

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by jfrog

As you can see there is a diversity of opinions within oneness ranks

Not really. If I called myself a bird, am I a bird? Just because someone calls themselves a Oneness but teach Unitarianism, does not make them Oneness

[votivesoul]

The Isaiah 9:6 prophecy is certainly an interesting one.

In transliterated Hebrew, the name by which the child/son will be called is one long title, as follows:

Pele-joez-el-gibbor-abi-ad-sar-shalom

An alternative translation has been offered, based on understanding this name as one continuous title, which is:

For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace".

http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_...showrashi=true

If there is any truth to this being a complete title, and if the translation is accurate, then new meaning (or perhaps the original meaning rediscovered???) must be applied to the text.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Luke

I did answer those questions multiple times in the other thread. If you care to look back you could see that but for the sake of those now reading I will again answer the questions.

1. Jesus answers the question as tho His Father for Himself and it is always God the Father to whom He points. (Yet at the same time in all literalness to say that Jesus had a Father is to imply that He had a beginning which is false). In the sense of His earthly body yes there was a beginning but to Jesus Himself there is no beginning or ending.



SO LUKE, YOU HONESTLY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT JESUS HAD A LITERAL FATHER? YOU KNOW HE CAME FROM THE WOMB OF MARY ,RIGHT?, YOU BEGAN IN YOUR MOTHERS WOMB, RIGHT? LOOK WHAT YOU JUST SAID.




2. As to the Godhead and how Jesus relates to it. He is both in it and it is in Him. He alone took on a bodily form therefore it is true that in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily but at the same He also is as Paul says equal with God (the Father) no one goes around speaking of how they are equal with them self to do so would be pointless.



THATS MY POINT, AS LONG AS YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD "DWELLS IN JESUS BODILY"Col.2:9 (IT IS "ALL" INSIDE THE BODY OF JESUS"...THATS WHAT I KEEP SAYING.



Now please answer my question do you believe that man can become God?

In the case of Jesus, absolutely!!!!
As far as anyone else...NO!!!!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

It sounds like two persons.

You said

"He was the 2nd Adam(the first Adam was created from dust and was "a" son of God, the second Adam was created in the "egg" of Mary and became the "only begotten"(only conceived) son of God. They were both equally human, but made differently.


Now The Father(GOD), chose to dwell in His "only begotten" son(Jesus), unlike Adam in the garden. The first Adam sinned and the second Adam did not sin.(I believe with the help of the Holy Ghost)."

That's two persons. God and a man. You have one God person and one human person.

Word for word, what you said is what Unitarians say. They have a God and a man. God in Jesus. Two Persons.

Praxeas...I am not sure you understand me here. Jesus was a man on earth...NOT A GOD/MAN. JESUS WAS NOT GOD UNTIL THE RESURRECTION. GOD WAS IN HIM. JESUS SAID THAT HE HAD A GOD(the Father) BEFORE HIS ASCENSION MULTIPLE TIMES. ONLY A HUMAN BEING CAN HAVE A GOD. GOD CANNOT HAVE A GOD. HE WAS TOTALLY,100% human just like us....



PRAXEAS....THE CONCLUSION OF ONENESS TEACHING IS GOD "IN" CHRIST(the man) .......THE CONCLUSION OF TRINITARIANISM IS GOD "AND" CHRIST.(2 Deities) plus, 1 holy Spirit...Totaling 3 DEIFIED BEINGS (3 GODS)

THIS MAN HAS EMBRACED THE "SIGNATURE" DOCTRINE OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. This doctrine that he embraces is higher than MARY worship or anything else they teach. (one God consisting of 3 "PERSONS" or "beings")

Notice how I go into great detail to explain "oneness" teachings.

This man(Luke) would be "EMBARASSED" to explain trinitarianism in great detail. (I actually want to see him do it)....Do you think?....noooo he wouldn't. Hmmmm


HEY WAIT A MINUTE...ARE YOU BAITING ME?...LOL

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Sean

In the case of Jesus, absolutely!!!!
As far as anyone else...NO

Wow there is no bible for that but thank you for answering my question.

What about Adam could he have become God he was created with out a mother or a father, he was created sinless Jesus was even called the second Adam? If He had passed some test would he have been the one to become God?

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Sean

SO LUKE, YOU HONESTLY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT JESUS HAD A LITERAL FATHER? YOU KNOW HE CAME FROM THE WOMB OF MARY ,RIGHT?, YOU BEGAN IN YOUR MOTHERS WOMB, RIGHT? LOOK WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

Jesus was born of a virgin how could He have a literal Father like me or you?

Originally Posted by Sean

THATS MY POINT, AS LONG AS YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD "DWELLS IN JESUS BODILY"Col.2:9 (IT IS "ALL" INSIDE THE BODY OF JESUS"...THATS WHAT I KEEP SAYING.

You should reread what I said:

2. As to the Godhead and how Jesus relates to it. He is both in it and it is in Him. He alone took on a bodily form therefore it is true that in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily but at the same He also is as Paul says equal with God (the Father) no one goes around speaking of how they are equal with them self to do so would be pointless.

Please note that I am not saying that Jesus is alone!

[Aquila]

This diagram has always helped me to teach and understand the Oneness between the Father and the Son: