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04-28-2014, 07:16 AM
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Re: Oneness Questions
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Yes but you still have two persons. One is God, one is not but becomes God.
BTW "Omnipresent body"?
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Prax.......omnipresent body of Jesus can be visibly "seen" in California, China and on Mars at the same time.(if God so chose to reveal Himself to us) It was not like that before the resurrection.(The man Christ Jesus was at one place at one time) Nobody could see God in the same sense and live in the O.T., Jesus is the tangible "temple" for us to approach the invisible God.
If you want to see the "new" Jesus, just read revelation and John describes what He looks like....
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04-28-2014, 07:35 AM
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Re: Oneness Questions
Prax...lets me simplify this the best I can...
When Jesus said "I, by the finger of God, cast out devils" , He meant, when he pointed his "powerless" finger at the devils...the God(Father) that was in him casted the devils out.
It is still the same way now. He never had the power to do things unless it was given to him.
The "new" Jesus said "ALL POWER IS GIVEN TO ME". He got his power "given" to him even after the resurrection.
Every blogger that ever wrote anything on this thread has had 2 separate beings describing God and Jesus. Except (we) say God(Spirit being) "inside" the son(temporal human being)....nobody is even insinuating 2 "persons" in the Godhead.
David Bernard says the role of the son shall end(that God will be all in all). I did not get deep into it when I heard it on a debate. But I see what he said.
I will let you look into it or somebody may comment on it if they like.
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04-28-2014, 09:13 AM
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Re: Oneness Questions
I think we can agree that Jesus is the human tabernacle of the Father (from conception). They are one in Spirit and therefore partake in all that the other is, the man Christ Jesus even existing as the express image of the Father's own person.
While Trinitarians sing, "God in three persons, blessed Trinity"... We sing, "God in Christ Jesus, blessed unity."
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04-28-2014, 04:50 PM
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Re: Oneness Questions
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I think we can agree that Jesus is the human tabernacle of the Father (from conception). They are one in Spirit and therefore partake in all that the other is, the man Christ Jesus even existing as the express image of the Father's own person.
While Trinitarians sing, "God in three persons, blessed Trinity"... We sing, "God in Christ Jesus, blessed unity."
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Amen my brother
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04-29-2014, 01:22 AM
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Re: Oneness Questions
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Originally Posted by Aquila
I think we can agree that Jesus is the human tabernacle of the Father (from conception). They are one in Spirit and therefore partake in all that the other is, the man Christ Jesus even existing as the express image of the Father's own person.
While Trinitarians sing, "God in three persons, blessed Trinity"... We sing, "God in Christ Jesus, blessed unity."
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This is describing perichloresis, if anyone wants to go on a study.
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04-29-2014, 02:57 AM
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Re: Oneness Questions
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Originally Posted by Sean
Brother, no where will you ever hear me say God is a person. (Just for the record)
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So? Use whatever word you want. You still have two persons
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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04-29-2014, 02:59 AM
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Re: Oneness Questions
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Originally Posted by Sean
Prax.......omnipresent body of Jesus can be visibly "seen" in California, China and on Mars at the same time.(if God so chose to reveal Himself to us) It was not like that before the resurrection.(The man Christ Jesus was at one place at one time) Nobody could see God in the same sense and live in the O.T., Jesus is the tangible "temple" for us to approach the invisible God.
If you want to see the "new" Jesus, just read revelation and John describes what He looks like....
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So...his body is everywhere?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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04-29-2014, 03:01 AM
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Re: Oneness Questions
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Originally Posted by Sean
Prax...lets me simplify this the best I can...
When Jesus said "I, by the finger of God, cast out devils" , He meant, when he pointed his "powerless" finger at the devils...the God(Father) that was in him casted the devils out.
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I got it the first time.
You have two persons. God (Divine person), who was inside Jesus (Human person)..
I got it, you don't have to keep repeating it. I got it the very first time
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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04-29-2014, 03:02 AM
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Re: Oneness Questions
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Originally Posted by Sean
Every blogger that ever wrote anything on this thread has had 2 separate beings describing God and Jesus. Except (we) say God(Spirit being) "inside" the son(temporal human being)....nobody is even insinuating 2 "persons" in the Godhead.
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Nope
I didn't say "in the godhead"...you say there are two. God and a Man in whom He was inside of who was not God but became God.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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04-29-2014, 03:05 AM
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Re: Oneness Questions
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Originally Posted by Aquila
I think we can agree that Jesus is the human tabernacle of the Father (from conception). They are one in Spirit and therefore partake in all that the other is, the man Christ Jesus even existing as the express image of the Father's own person.
While Trinitarians sing, "God in three persons, blessed Trinity"... We sing, "God in Christ Jesus, blessed unity."
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A Lot of people would say Jesus IS the Father.
A casual reading of the uncareful posts might lead one to see Unitarianism not Oneness.
Jesus wasn't a box of flesh god was inside of. Jesus was God HIMSELF, fully Human and fully Divine (God)
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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