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Old 05-02-2014, 11:59 PM
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Prax, I have something I want you to deal with. Do you believe the pronouns "I, he, she, you" reference persons or beings?
The answer is yes, but not always since in Greek even non persons can be called a HE or SHE...

I say yes to both "persons" or "Beings" without qualification as to what the word "person" means. In other words, pronouns don't define the word Person, they just indicate a grammatical subject
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Old 05-03-2014, 01:10 AM
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The answer is yes, but not always since in Greek even non persons can be called a HE or SHE...

I say yes to both "persons" or "Beings" without qualification as to what the word "person" means. In other words, pronouns don't define the word Person, they just indicate a grammatical subject
So of the verses you believe declare that Jesus is God, how do you know the pronouns in those verses reference a person and not a being? Is the meaning of the pronoun dictated by your theology or does the meaning of a pronoun stand alone and apart from your theology?
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Sean, could you go into further detail on your statement that Jesus became God post-resurrection?

As a concept, this is known as apotheosis, or being elevated to Godhood. I would like to read your explanation for how that occurred in the life of the man Christ Jesus.

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Sean, could you go into further detail on your statement that Jesus became God post-resurrection?

As a concept, this is known as apotheosis, or being elevated to Godhood. I would like to read your explanation for how that occurred in the life of the man Christ Jesus.

If you think it warrants a new post, that's cool.






Thanks for asking bro. I can do it in 5 minutes...lol


Jesus was born a "complete" human being. He did not have any kind of a God nature or God Spirit in his being. He was identical to all of us(body, soul and spirit). He lived for 33 years and was filled with the Holy Ghost, just like we are required to do. The difference between us and Him was that He was created(born) of God and we are born from fallen sinners. He did not inherit the sin nature, which would "qualify" him as a perfect human sacrifice substitute for us.

Jesus had NO power of his own, but the Holy Ghost "inside him" did the divine works and divinely spoke through him much of his life.

Jesus was murdered brutally for our sins and "became sin for us".He even died as "sinners death"...saying "my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"(like something a sinner will say on their way to hell).

After 3 days God raised him from the dead. There was still a "glorification" process that needed to be made. Like when he said "touch me not".....

He stayed 40 days afterwards with his disciples and on his last day said "ALL POWER IS GIVEN TO ME IN HEAVEN AND EARTH". Now he has "all" of the very power of God.

To digress, the Holy Ghost that left him, returned and from within, resurrected him. God was now inside him again, but in the fullness...(his human soul and human spirit went back to God upon his death).

The "New" Jesus can at this point be omnipresent and cannot die. Sinners now have a tangible object of worship with a actual name. He can be a "personal" God to them anywhere on the planet. God is in him in the fullness.

Now PLEEEEASE folks...no labels here.

Just conversate with me brothers...( dont shut down)

God resurrected and "propped up" His totally human son, Jesus to represent Him. He is FULLY INSIDE of Jesus(not "with" Him). The fullness of the Godhead now dwells in him BODILY. Jesus is now our: God(Jehovah) with a tangible body. (God in Christ 2 cor. 5:19)



If I am in error here, please "dialogue" with me. Thanks
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Re: Oneness Questions

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Sean, could you go into further detail on your statement that Jesus became God post-resurrection?

As a concept, this is known as apotheosis, or being elevated to Godhood. I would like to read your explanation for how that occurred in the life of the man Christ Jesus.

If you think it warrants a new post, that's cool.






Thanks for asking bro. I can do it in 5 minutes...lol


Jesus was born a "complete" human being. He did not have any kind of a God nature or God Spirit in his being. He was identical to all of us(body, soul and spirit). He lived for 33 years and was filled with the Holy Ghost, just like we are required to do. The difference between us and Him was that He was created(born) of God and we are born from fallen sinners. He did not inherit the sin nature, which would "qualify" him as a perfect human sacrifice substitute for us.

Jesus had NO power of his own, but the Holy Ghost "inside him" did the divine works and divinely spoke through him much of his life.

Jesus was murdered brutally for our sins and "became sin for us".He even died as "sinners death"...saying "my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"(like something a sinner will say on their way to hell).

After 3 days God raised him from the dead. There was still a "glorification" process that needed to be made. Like when he said "touch me not".....

He stayed 40 days afterwards with his disciples and on his last day said "ALL POWER IS GIVEN TO ME IN HEAVEN AND EARTH". Now he has "all" of the very power of God.

To digress, the Holy Ghost that left him, returned and from within, resurrected him. God was now inside him again, but in the fullness...(his human soul and human spirit went back to God upon his death).

I do not know what happened to his soul and human spirit. I have an idea though, try this...(maybe) the human spirit, which is inseparable from him to exist was resurrected as ours gets resurrected and connected to a new body. His human spirit is obviously "omnipresent" and is how we receive the "mind" or influence of Christ. THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST? your comments on my idea are welcome here....

The "New" Jesus can at this point be omnipresent and cannot die. Sinners now have a tangible object of worship with a actual name. He can be a "personal" God to them anywhere on the planet. God is in him in the fullness.

Now PLEEEEASE folks...no labels here.

Just conversate with me brothers...( dont shut down)

God resurrected and "propped up" His totally human son, Jesus to represent Him. He is FULLY INSIDE of Jesus(not "with" Him). The fullness of the Godhead now dwells in him BODILY. Jesus is now our: God(Jehovah) with a tangible body. (God in Christ 2 cor. 5:19)



If I am in error here, please "dialogue" with me. Thanks (BTW...everything I believe is not "set in stone", I am totally open to a more logical point of view. I am not "parroting" someone elses material...just 35 years of "tripping" on the Godhead....

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Re: Oneness Questions

Sorry about the duplicate thread, I was making corrections and hit the wrong button. The second thread is the complete thread. Thanks
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