Islamic Prayers at the Vatican

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Luke

There is no finger pointing going on here rather there is a loving warning that proclaims the truth that there is only one way to heaven and that way is Jesus. Are you saying that you believe that there are other ways?

No; I'm saying that i know, for sure, as sure as i am about our salvation, that there are 'other' ways. They are the same way. They must follow spiritually what you are regurgitating literally. I don't mean that to be a put-down, so please take it at face value. That is a 'book' knowing, that we are given.

Originally Posted by Luke

The first of those chareacter istics is sorrow for sin the repentance which is followed up by love of the truth.

There it is--imo, just find some less loaded words for a couple of those terms, as they have been corrupted now, and regurgitate that. I doubt we are qualified to even discuss Christianity, frankly. I'm sure we're not. Every time we post, you or me, someone in hell laughs, and someone in heaven shakes their head.

Originally Posted by Luke

There are NO scriptures that say we cannot know God.

Who can know God? seems pretty clear to me, Luke. And i am led to say "wait 'til you meet Christ!" um, which may not be for you, but in general. He is a picture on the wall to most here; Someone we give a little nod to every now and then; and the door to our introduction of Him having been blocked, most will never progress past the "What should i be doing for God" stage, and those that do, who are led into 'ministry,' are mostly regressing rather than progressing.

i don't mean to imply that these do not love the idea of God; or even that they are not genuinely seeking a closer walk--but that ones early training is extremely difficult to overcome; and that training is being overseen by the world.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Luke

Shazeep which part do you reject that He died on the cross and rose again or that He was the son of God (all of these points the islamist and the koran reject)?

I accept them both, but reject the rigid, literal definitions that you imply that i must adhere to. These are Acts that have spiritual significance to me, that i am to emulate even, and i was unable to make them relevant to my walk with the "get saved, wait to die and go to heaven" model.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Dante

All of this is anti-Islamic propaganda.

yup, and kept stirred on purpose to divide us; so that our unity, where we all agree, may not be discovered...or at least, not discovered as quickly, as this is inevitable. We are told we have enemies, that must be fought, so the PTB, the Rothschilds (children of wrath, hello), that run the world, may continue doing so.

Do you have any enemies, as a Christian? i have satan, that is it, and he is no match for the Spirit. There, i am completely finished, for life, with enemies. Everything else is a carefully constructed illusion.

[shazeep]

"As to where the adore mentioned version comes from is the Bible the only true word of God!"

my feeling there Luke is that i am as indoctrinated as you are, and so yes, for me the Bible, warts and all, is the way. Wish i could read the originals, but i'm pretty sure the point there is that the Spirit cannot be hidden if one seeks--which, i think, inevitably leads one to the conclusion that the Spirit is in other monotheistic works as well. Different words, same Spirit. i have yet to read a Tao story that does not include a deeper spiritual lesson than many can seem to derive from the Bible, for whatever reason. Now, i don't use the Tao--and frankly, don't care where God is not, because i now seek for where He is, if that makes any sense. I could never point and say, "God is not there" now (even tho i still do...); i am charged with bringing God there. It is just a different approach. It is the approach of the parable i started, and you wanted me to finish, i'll look for that one now.

[shazeep]

ya, can't find it now, so please restate your point there.

[shazeep]

it doesn't matter if you have Christ nailed down literally, if you never approach Him spiritually. The reverse is also completely true.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by shazeep

No; I'm saying that i know, for sure, as sure as i am about our salvation, that there are 'other' ways. They are the same way. They must follow spiritually what you are regurgitating literally. I don't mean that to be a put-down, so please take it at face value. That is a 'book' knowing, that we are given.

I am sorry but you are mistaken there is only one way of salvation and that is through Jesus and His death (on the cross) burial and ressurection.

Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

John 14: 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Acts 4:10 be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

John10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Salvationc omes through faith in the death burial and riseing again of JESUS there is no other way.

To say otherwise is to say that Jesus was either wrong and you know what He did not or that He is a liar.

Originally Posted by shazeep

There it is--imo, just find some less loaded words for a couple of those terms, as they have been corrupted now, and regurgitate that. I doubt we are qualified to even discuss Christianity, frankly. I'm sure we're not. Every time we post, you or me, someone in hell laughs, and someone in heaven shakes their head.

Why are we not qualified to discuss christianity? All of those terms are what the Bible uses therefore they are the words God chose. However as I said those are characteristics but they are useless without the death and resurection of Jesus it is faith in Jesus that saves. There is no other way.

Originally Posted by shazeep

Who can know God? seems pretty clear to me, Luke. And i am led to say "wait 'til you meet Christ!" um, which may not be for you, but in general. He is a picture on the wall to most here; Someone we give a little nod to every now and then; and the door to our introduction of Him having been blocked, most will never progress past the "What should i be doing for God" stage, and those that do, who are led into 'ministry,' are mostly regressing rather than progressing.

i don't mean to imply that these do not love the idea of God; or even that they are not genuinely seeking a closer walk--but that ones early training is extremely difficult to overcome; and that training is being overseen by the world.

Where does it say in the Bible that we cannot know God?

John 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

[jfrog]

Shazeep your views intrigue me.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by shazeep

"As to where the adore mentioned version comes from is the Bible the only true word of God!"

my feeling there Luke is that i am as indoctrinated as you are, and so yes, for me the Bible, warts and all, is the way. Wish i could read the originals, but i'm pretty sure the point there is that the Spirit cannot be hidden if one seeks--which, i think, inevitably leads one to the conclusion that the Spirit is in other monotheistic works as well. Different words, same Spirit. i have yet to read a Tao story that does not include a deeper spiritual lesson than many can seem to derive from the Bible, for whatever reason. Now, i don't use the Tao--and frankly, don't care where God is not, because i now seek for where He is, if that makes any sense. I could never point and say, "God is not there" now (even tho i still do...); i am charged with bringing God there. It is just a different approach. It is the approach of the parable i started, and you wanted me to finish, i'll look for that one now.

Man is not seeking after God rather God seeks after man.

Romans 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Rather man kames a god that fits them and makes them comfortable.

As far as the other writings of the false religions. These are not other gospels or other ways there is no other way!

Galatians 2:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Luke

There was never a time when Jesus did not exist.

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