Truth and Deception

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

KBW, Wow! Thank you! This what I feel and could not have ever explained in such a wonderful manner!

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by shazeep

yes, very nice.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Sorry friends Im not on board.

Jesus said when the Spirit of truth comes he will guide you into all truth.

Also how can one contend for the faith if he doesn't know what it is?

If Jesus is truth, than if we are following Jesus, is not that TRUTH?

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by houston

Yeah, mmkay... Not!

Ok... and why not?

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

I believe the Spirit of truth is trying to guide us into all truth, the problem is that not everyone is following along or at least not all the way.

Yes, we should continue to believe JESUS is the way, the truth,and the life... but the problem is many start out following Jesus, and end up following some piece of truth, and leave off seeking Jesus, and that is where the fork in the road is - trying to be more faithful to a man-centered doctrine/dogma/organization, than Jesus.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by ILG

@ KBTW

[KeptByTheWord]

I certainly don't expect everyone to agree with my post, and if there is something you don't agree with, I'd like to hear it. Being on a search and quest for truth, and following Jesus means that many times it is in the unexpected that you find Him.

[n david]

Thank you for sharing.

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

You would die from the knowledge. It is too great for you to bear.

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Remember no human can know all there is to know about me, or else it would kill them.

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Truth is allowed to dwell with deception in order to bring forth humility in us – for us to constantly be aware that we will never be able to completely know or understand God – or else it would kill us – such knowledge we cannot bear. [I]Psalms 139:6 “Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it.”

God said in Hosea, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge," so the lack of knowledge, not knowledge, is why people perish. God never said knowledge of Him would kill someone; rather, He encourages us to know Him. The verse posted from Psalms doesn't mention anything about the peril of death for having knowledge. It only says he couldn't attain it. That's a big difference. God desires that we seek to know Him and attain knowledge of Him. There's no threat of death from having knowledge of God.

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Remember that I allow the tares and the wheat to grow together until the time appointed. The tares and the wheat are in each one of you. Truth and deception are mixed as a part of each believer. Truth and deception will continue to abide together until the time appointed.

I disagree with this part, but agree with something you wrote about deception below this. Tares and wheat are two individual things. They are not together in an individual. Truth and deception are also not combined in a believer, IMO. It's either or, not both. You can believe the truth or be deceived. You can be gathered with other wheat, or be cast away like the tares.

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Deception is allowed to mix with all truth so that those who hunger and thirst after Me will not be content with what they’ve received, but will continue to seek and search after Me.

I agree deception can and does seek to wrap itself in a bit of truth.

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Instead, embrace your trials, embrace the difficult seasons in your life, for this is where you will really begin to know and understand Me.

This I believe. A couple who are close friends lost their first daughter in a tragic accident. The father months later said that it was in their deepest loss that they were able to see and feel the source of their strength.

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Evil and good, the tares and the wheat, the positives and the negatives, truth, and deception will continue to remain an innate part of the world as we know it because that is how the power of Christ comes forth vibrantly in our lives.

I agree that these are in the world, but they are not together in a believer. Righteousness OR Unrighteousness. Light OR Darkness. Christ OR Belial. Never both together.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

If Jesus is truth, than if we are following Jesus, is not that TRUTH?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by n david

I disagree with this part, but agree with something you wrote about deception below this. Tares and wheat are two individual things. They are not together in an individual. Truth and deception are also not combined in a believer, IMO. It's either or, not both. You can believe the truth or be deceived. You can be gathered with other wheat, or be cast away like the tares.

i think it can be easy to believe things like a child, even as an adult--or 'see through a mirror darkly--and i mostly have believed as you do here, but am struck by how kbtw's pov here reflects something that i now believe the Holy Spirit was trying to get me to consider. No one has the full truth in all things, right? Ergo, they are deceived--even a devout believer, who has picked up their cross--in some respect. I think believing that you have no tares in your walk might be self deception, born of a bad pressure from our religious model to "be perfect." Now, in this system, admitting guilt becomes more difficult, and seeing ones flaws more easily masked.

I say this because, if you just carry your pov to its conclusion, and then answer the following as honestly as you can, you might see how your answer could be self-deceptive: "Is there any area of your walk, right now, that is not perfect?"