I ask you to accept me

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by John Atkinson

I was once Apostolic, as some of you know.
Now I am not, haven't been in awhile.
I didn't backslide into lesser forms of Christianity,
I went full on pagan, I honor the old gods and goddesses.
I will never proselytize, but I would like to take part.
With your permission, else I won't post again

2 Cor. 6:14-17

14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

If we accept you the Lord will reject us.

[shazeep]

ok now you bring up a good point; yet i do not feel rejected. If i 'accept' him, how? Imo, God could care less what you say you believe; He judges the heart, as evidenced by the production of fruit. I may not accept his belief system, and if he is offering up babies to Molech, then we will have a short friendship; but if his premises are revealed to be searching for a better way to love his neighbor, as compared to Western Christians--the largest arms dealers on the planet--then i don't feel qualified to point that finger, myself. I trust the Spirit will show me. I know unrighteousness when i see it.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by shazeep

ok now you bring up a good point; yet i do not feel rejected. If i 'accept' him, how? Imo, God could care less what you say you believe; He judges the heart, as evidenced by the production of fruit. I may not accept his belief system, and if he is offering up babies to Molech, then we will have a short friendship; but if his premises are revealed to be searching for a better way to love his neighbor, as compared to Western Christians--the largest arms dealers on the planet--then i don't feel qualified to point that finger, myself. I trust the Spirit will show me.

Nothing should be compared to Western Christians. Everything should be compared to the Apostolic writings.

[shazeep]

from your pov, sure. and i would agree that these are even valid, for you. but Christians at least represent that they have correctly defined and interpreted the apostolic writings; you are a Western Christian. As the believers go, so goes a nation. If My people, who are called by My Name, will humble themselves... which doesn't seem to be the official position yet, that humility part. The Harbinger shows me that your leaders are reading curses out of Isaiah verbatim, and pronouncing them over us. So, while we could agree all day on how to hold our mouths correctly in order to get 'saved,' Rome burns?

And we could also point at the Gov and say "they don't rep me," but this is another illusion--they perfectly rep us. Believers. God directs our leaders according to the believers in a nation.

[shazeep]

here's the thing, Mike--i spent the first half of my Christian life looking for perfect people, because that is what our interp of the Apostolic writings led me to do--i thought. So, i went through this long list of people; apostolics, pentecostals, pastors, teachers, friends; looking for perfect people to call friends, and have fellowship with. I never found any. Not one. And in the process, i discovered--much to my surprise, and chagrin--that i wasn't perfect, either; heck, i wasn't even close. But i was forgiven--that much i knew. If i but acknowledged my faults and sought forgiveness, there it was. Now, to you, that may sound like "acknowledged your sins before God, in your prayers..." which i started out with; but i was quickly convicted that while that might be the model, the reality is that i must do this with those that i had slighted in whatever way. And it didn't matter--to God--what their belief system was. If they called themselves pagan, and i slighted them, still i had to ask their forgiveness; actually, the moreso, if i wished to call myself Christ's rep. Then all the sudden i didn't need drugs anymore--the drugs i needed to make me feel ok as an 'Apostolic.'

Now, i have since discovered that that is because of the doctrine of Original Sin foisted upon us, which i have already talked with you about,
http://www.wikihow.com/index.php?tit...oldid=13622804
but i sure didn't know this at the time. So, Christ having come back to life, for me, i found it incumbent upon me to grasp what those verses you quote really mean, which for me at least is not what you imply, but rather the spiritual direction they point.

So please understand that for me at least, i no longer care if one calls themselves Apo, or Pent--but is a slave to a mortgage, say. (or worse yet--the church is mortgaged! ) I no longer inquire--nor am i interested in--the answers to either of those; because it is that person's treatment of me--which will alter according to what they practice, rather than what they say they believe--that interests me now.

[ILG]

I think we've been rejected by John Atkinson.

[shazeep]

gee i wonder why

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

2 Cor. 6:14-17

14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

If we accept you the Lord will reject us.

Finally, some Scripture.

"[H]onoring the old gods..." is a full admission to idolatry on part of the confessor.

If anyone doesn't think that doesn't matter, then what are you doing posting here or, if you are, claiming to be a Christian? Just go light a candle to Caesar and be done with it.

[votivesoul]

To the OP,

Having already lived in that world for a number of years, in which I summoned, channeled, and was even occasionally possessed by the masters you now say you serve, I can only tell you:

You have exchanged hope and peace for misery and lawlessness.

You are going to meet a devil you wish you never knew existed, and there will be hell to pay.

Perhaps God will grant you repentance if you will but humble yourself. He takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked; rather His pleasure is in the wicked's return unto Him (Ezekiel 18:23).

[houston]

I thought he was an atheist, or is that someone else??