What About The Children???

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

See! This is (in part) why the GOP has the reputation it has among minorities in America!

Why, because I called him the "bomb diggity?" Get a life.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I don't think President Obama is the bomb diggity. I think he is a very good President and I am proud of him.

Why are you proud of him? What has he done to make you proud? Name something.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Similarly, I doubt you use the phrase "bomb diggity" in describing your admiration for Reagan.

Perhaps, perhaps not. It's not the first I've used the word, nor will it be the last. Are you trying to insinuate I'm somehow racist because I used that phrase? Please. You're going to have to try harder than that.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

To what extent is this crisis Obama's doing?

I'll repost.

Originally Posted by n david

This was intentional. It was planned. The obama admin manufactured a crisis to try and force Congress to capitulate to his demands on immigration, which is no enforcement, amnesty and open borders.

Why is there a gag order on the Border Patrol agents now? What's the obama admin afraid they'll say? Why are journalists being threatened with arrest for covering this? Why are Congressmen being denied access to walk through these holding centers? Why won't they allow news reporters access?

Now, you won't find any coincidence in this, because of your love and pride of all things obama; however, obama and some of his staff, including Jeh Johnson (DHS Secy), met with immigration activists in the White House on Friday, March 14th. Suddenly at the end of May we have a "crisis" at the border.

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This afternoon the President, Secretary of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson, and senior White House officials met with organizations committed to passing bipartisan commonsense immigration reform. The leaders of these organizations shared their concerns for the families facing the separation that comes from our broken immigration system. The President reiterated the deep concern he has for the pain these families face and that he has asked Secretary Johnson to do an inventory of the Department’s current practices to see how it can conduct enforcement more humanely within the confines of the law. Secretary Johnson reemphasized his shared commitment to ensure our immigration laws are enforced effectively, sensibly, and in line with our nation’s traditions as a nation of laws and a nation of immigrants. The President reiterated his commitment to maintaining consistent and sustained pressure on Congressional Republicans to take action on immigration reform as soon as possible. The President continues to believe that the only permanent solution to fixing the broken immigration system is through meaningful comprehensive legislation.

List of Participants:

•Jeh Johnson, Secretary of Homeland Security
•John Podesta, Counselor to the President
•Valerie Jarrett, Senior Advisor to the President
•Cecilia Munoz, Director of Domestic Policy Council
•Katie Beirne Fallon, Director of Legislative Affairs
•Deepak Bhargava, Center for Community Change
•Eddie Carmona, PICO
•Mary Kay Henry, SEIU
•Marielena Hincapie, National Immigration Law Center
•Angie Kelley, Center for American Progress
•Eliseo Medina, Fast for Families
•Mee Moua, Asian American Justice Center
•Janet Murguia, National Council of la Raza
•Karen Narasaki, CAMBIO
•Ali Noorani, National Immigration Forum
•Lorella Praeli, United We Dream
•Arturo Rodriguez, United Farm Workers
•Angelica Salas, CHIRLA
•Gabriel Salguero, NALEC
•Frank Sharry, America’s Voice
•Gustavo Torres, Casa de Maryland
•Richard Trumka, AFL-CIO

Now, are you really so attached to obama's posterior that you aren't able to see that the meeting of 14-March is related to the invasion of our borders in the latter part of May? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that there was an effort in the obama administration to put pressure on the GOP to capitulate to his demands and pass amnesty in the next 15 days before they go home in August.

Look, it's a brilliant idea. Put out the word through leftist groups like La Raza and PICO and the other to get a massive number of kids -- not adults -- to flood the border. He's hoping to force Congress' hand, and make them pass amnesty and more open borders.

There's a reason DHS and Jeh Johnson is involved in this, beyond it being a homeland security issue. DHS is the entity bussing and housing these kids and other people. Normally it's the Border Patrol which is tasked with this responsibility.

Again, please answer the questions I posed above: Why is there a gag order on the Border Patrol? Why have US Congressmen been prohibited from visiting these holding centers? Why were hospital staff threatened with arrest if they devulged the massive number of immigrants with diseases? Why aren't news reporters allowed to photo or tour these facilities or interview these immigrants?

[n david]

Sad that this issue amuses you so.

[n david]

From: Garcia, Jesus (ACF) [mailto:Jesus.Garcia@acf.hhs.gov]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 10:23 AM
To:
Subject: Media Tour of Fort Sill, Oklahoma Temporary Shelter

Media Tour of Fort Sill, Oklahoma Temporary Shelter

The HHS Administration for Children and Families would like to invite you to a media tour of the Unaccompanied Children temporary shelter at Fort Sill. The tour will take place 2 p.m., Thursday, July 10 (Central Time).

The purpose of this 40-minute tour is to show members of the press the interior of the shelter and explain the care we provide while these children remain in our custody. The tour guide will detail what goes on from room to room and the services youth are provided on a daily basis.

In order to protect the safety and privacy of the children, the following rules for participation will be required:

- No recording devices will be allowed

- No questions will be allowed during the tour

- No interacting with staff and children at the shelter

- We ask that your questions be provided via email or phone after the tour to Kenneth Wolfe

- HHS ACF public affairs will provide answers to your follow up questions as quickly as possible

- We will provide photos of the facility after the tour

- There will be no on-site interviews by HHS staff before or after the tour, all inquiries go to Kenneth Wolfe

If you would like to participate, please RSVP by 4 p.m. (Central Time) Tuesday, July 8, with HHS ACF Special Assistant Jesus Garcia (jesus.garcia@acf.hhs.gov).

All media inquiries to should go to:

Kenneth J. Wolfe
Deputy Director
Office of Public Affairs
Phone: (202) 401-9215
Email: Kenneth.Wolfe@acf.hhs.gov

Thursday is the only tour of the UAC facility at the base which ACF plans to offer at this time.

Once you RSVP, we will provide you directions on where to arrive on Thursday by 8 a.m., Wednesday, July 9 (Central Time).

Jesus Garcia
Special Assistant to the Deputy Assistant Secretary for External Affairs
Administration for Children and Families
U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
370 L'Enfant Promenade, S.W.
Washington, D.C. 20447
(202) 260-2309 Phone
jesus.garcia@acf.hhs.gov
www.acf.hhs.gov

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What are they afraid of? Why can't the media ask questions, take photos, speak with the staff or immigrants?

Congressman Jim Bridenstine is encouraging members of the media to reject the limitations proposed by HHS. “The idea of no recording devices, no questions, and no interactions is not acceptable. This violates the 1st Amendment. This is not transparent. HHS is trying to muzzle the media and hide the human tragedy that has resulted directly from the Administration’s failure to enforce the law.”

Nice try. The media is lock-step in with obama and the admin. They're not going to blink at these rules. There's no such thing as unbiased journalism or journalistic integrity in the MSM.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Unintended consequences?

What are we talking about-- why you are pro-aborting the unborn possible children or our selfish response to THOUSANDS of live children-- parentless, far from home, in search of a dream?

Maybe we should just kill them so that they don't become forest wives for Boko Haram!

We can't afford to take care of them anyway!

JD - sorry that I was trying to have an intelligent conversation and that is not what you intended.
You seem to be on your way to becoming the perfect poster child for what is wrong with this country.
Come quickly Lord Jesus...

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by n david

Why, because I called him the "bomb diggity?" Get a life.

Your use of that phrase with me is specifically geared towards me because I am black and he is black. Your word usage isn't in itself racist, but there is a disrespective undertone that is completely laced with racial garbage-- and it was intentional.

It is completely unnecessarilly and purposefully off-putting, adding nothing to the previously respectful conversation.

Originally Posted by n david

Why are you proud of him? What has he done to make you proud? Name something.

I am proud of him because he is the first black President. I am proud of many things that have happened on his watch.

1) He revised and expanded the HARP program for American homeowners.
2) The banks and businesses he saved through stimulus.
3) He saved the American auto industry (General motors).
4) He kept his promise on Iraq.
5) Capturing and killing Bin Laden.
6) There is a healthcare law that helps expand healthcare to children-- apart from the ACA.
7) The healthcare that many more Americans have access to now that Affordable care Act is the law.
8) He has increased fuel efficiency standards for automobiles.
9) Military Veterans receive better care and have their claims reviewed and decided much faster because of his policies.
10) His policies have helped to privatize the space industry.
11) His policies are helping to fix the drug sentencing disparities that existed between cocaine and crack cocaine.
12) People can serve their country in the military regardless of sexual orientation. At first, I thought this was a bad thing, but now I don't think this is a bad thing.

There is more, but this thread is about the children, not President Obama.

Originally Posted by n david

Perhaps, perhaps not. It's not the first I've used the word, nor will it be the last. Are you trying to insinuate I'm somehow racist because I used that phrase? Please. You're going to have to try harder than that.

Dude, as much as we have discussed things and this is how you think? If I wanted to call you racist, I'd simply call you racist. I was trying to point out to you the unnecesarily racially charged slant that you gave your observation of my admiration of President Obama. I am trying to help you see where many Republicans go wrong in one conversation, and later wonder why they have very little success in appealing to a more diverse electorate.



Now I don't have answers to your other questions, but as you say I am attached to Obama's posterior, I can just as easily say that you are blinded by idealogically driven hate for President Obama to only see negative in everyting he does.

[Jermyn Davidson]

aegsm76,
As I look bad at what I wrote, it seems unintelligible. I apologize for that. Let me speak plainly.

There are conservative Christians who will care more the unborn children that are yet to be than they will for the 50,000+ children at our border right now.

I think there is hypocrisy in this.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

aegsm76,
As I look bad at what I wrote, it seems unintelligible. I apologize for that. Let me speak plainly.

There are conservative Christians who will care more the unborn children that are yet to be than they will for the 50,000+ children at our border right now.

I think there is hypocrisy in this.

I think there's a lie in the bold, no, I don't think...there is. You're claiming that because most conservatives (who are overwhelmingly Christian) want this administration to abide by the law...that we don't care for these kids or care less for them than the unborn.

Please re-think this claim. It's completely untrue, and something I could see posted in DailyKos or DailyBeast or some other lib blog...not by someone professing to be a conservative.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by n david

I think there's a lie in the bold, no, I don't think...there is. You're claiming that because most conservatives (who are overwhelmingly Christian) want this administration to abide by the law...that we don't care for these kids or care less for them than the unborn.

Please re-think this claim. It's completely untrue, and something I could see posted in DailyKos or DailyBeast or some other lib blog...not by someone professing to be a conservative.

Well, the only solution I can come up with that falls in line with the morality of protecting human life is to keep those 50,000 children here in America.

I doubt many American conservative Christians will come to the same conclusion, well maybe not as quickly as I have.


Abide by the law? By law, the woman caught in adultery would have been killed.

In Ecclesiastes, the Bible says there is a time and place for everything.... If there was a time to break the law, this would be the time.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Disciple4life

Maybe we should put them in bags and throw them in the river. I here this is a great way of getting rid of kittens!

No, your solution is too forthwright. Somewhere there is a conservative trying to figure out a way to get them into the river without looking like that was the intent from the begining.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Well, the only solution I can come up with that falls in line with the morality of protecting human life is to keep those 50,000 children here in America.

I doubt many American conservative Christians will come to the same conclusion.


Abide by the law? By law, the woman caught in adultery would have been killed.

In Ecclesiastes, the Bible says there is a time and place for everything.... If there was a time to break the law, this would be the time.

JD - Bill Clinton used military force to return a Cuban child to his parent.
The fact is that the majority of these children have left their parents to come here.
They are not coming here to be with their parents, they are coming here to try to become citizens.
We need to return these children to their parents.
They are also breaking the law.
Are we a nation of laws or do we just make it up as we go?