Noah and the Ark

[Dichotomy Girl]

Originally Posted by Sasha

I do that with parables and even other allegorical stories, but I don't know what lesson is learned if the flood is a parable.

That sometimes you need to listen to God even when everyone else thinks that you are crazy? That you are responsible for following God and helping your family before you need to worry about saving the rest of the world? That God will provide protection and hope and a way out even when it seems impossible?

That human nature doesn't change...Noah's sons were "saved" did some very inappropriate things.

There is a lot of symbolism (baptism, etc.) and a foretelling of Jesus. (God sending us a way out, without which will end in death and destruction)

That's just off the top of my head, lol, so I am sure there are tons of great things that others can come up with.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Sasha

I do believe that some happenings might not be accurate. In regard to the flood, I have always been puzzled as to the mention of the rainbow being placed in the sky as a sign that God would never flood the earth again. We know from history that earth has been flooded in certain areas throughout time, however, a rainbow cannot be 'placed'. In fact, it was still raining when they saw the rainbow, so that makes even less sense to me.

I believe the earth was flooded. However, I don't believe the earth existed as it is today. I believe land was one massive area, not separated into continents as they are today. I also believe that the flood started the separation of land into continents that occurred over the last 6+ thousand years. Or longer.

I was actually curious as to whether or not you believed Noah even existed or if anyone else did either.

It was not raining when Noah saw the rainbow in fact he and his sons and the animals had already left the ark at that point.

Also the rainbow was not guarantee no more floods (localized) rather no more worldwide floods.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Go ahead, continue to spread your lies about something you cannot prove.

That's the problem within Faith today; lies are the truth and the facts are not the facts.

You and I have talked about the issues you yourself have with what you claim to hold in highest regard ''physical evidence''. The problem is you yourself are true to own standard that you require of others when it comes to their beliefs. As in the other posts where we discussed this allow me to point out what I mean.

Physical evidence is defined in a legal context as:

''Physical evidence usually involves objects found at the scene of a crime. Physical evidence may consist of all sorts of prints such as fingerprints, footprints, handprints, tidemarks, cut marks, tool marks, etc. Examination of some physical evidence is conducted by making impressions in plaster, taking images of marks, or lifting the fingerprints from objects encountered'' this is from the following website (definitions.us legal.com)
Howere even though you require other people to produce physical evidence for their beliefs (otherwise you consider them foolish and blinded by belief) you believe in fear, joy, love, happiness, anger, and a host of other emotions all of which have no physical evidence for their existence.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Dichotomy Girl

That sometimes you need to listen to God even when everyone else thinks that you are crazy? That you are responsible for following God and helping your family before you need to worry about saving the rest of the world? That God will provide protection and hope and a way out even when it seems impossible?

That human nature doesn't change...Noah's sons were "saved" did some very inappropriate things.

There is a lot of symbolism (baptism, etc.) and a foretelling of Jesus. (God sending us a way out, without which will end in death and destruction)

That's just off the top of my head, lol, so I am sure there are tons of great things that others can come up with.

You should preach!

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Luke

It was not raining when Noah saw the rainbow in fact he and his sons and the animals had already left the ark at that point.

Also the rainbow was not guarantee no more floods (localized) rather no more worldwide floods.

Do you know what makes a rainbow? Rain and sun. You will never see a rainbow while facing the sun. The sun shining on the rain that has already passed makes a rainbow. Therefore, it was raining when they saw the rainbow.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Luke

It was not raining when Noah saw the rainbow in fact he and his sons and the animals had already left the ark at that point.

Also the rainbow was not guarantee no more floods (localized) rather no more worldwide floods.

On the scientific side, how can we say God put a rainbow in the sky as a promise when a rainbow is a result of the sun shining on the rain? I have seen a 'rainbow' in water puddles. I have never understood why we teach that a rainbow is God's promise when it's just a scientific happenstance. It's no different than claiming God puts a shadow behind a door or that God makes the ocean water blue.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Sasha

On the scientific side, how can we say God put a rainbow in the sky as a promise when a rainbow is a result of the sun shining on the rain? I have seen a 'rainbow' in water puddles. I have never understood why we teach that a rainbow is God's promise when it's just a scientific happenstance. It's no different than claiming God puts a shadow behind a door or that God makes the ocean water blue.

If you want to get "scientific". there was a "vapor canopy" before the flood in the upper atmosphere like a layer of water. It most likely blocked these U.V. rays that created rainbows of light. It collapsed during the flood, giving us the 40 days of rain. After that, the sun shone through the upper atmosphere like it does now.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Sean

If you want to get "scientific". there was a "vapor canopy" before the flood in the upper atmosphere like a layer of water. It most likely blocked these U.V. rays that created rainbows of light. It collapsed during the flood, giving us the 40 days of rain. After that, the sun shone through the upper atmosphere like it does now.

And that proves God put a rainbow in the sky as opposed to that being a natural happenstance?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Sasha

And that proves God put a rainbow in the sky as opposed to that being a natural happenstance?

Are you suggesting God didn't cause or create or set in order the "natural happenstance?" Pretty sure God is the one Who causes even the scientific to happen.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by n david

Not in religion. It's a relationship. And no amount of hot air you blow, no YouTube video you post will ever dissuade me from my relationship with Jesus Christ.

A relationship??? Uh, let me see, you have a relationship with someone you can't see, can't touch, and can't hear.

That is the recipe for a mental disaster, where anything can be said about a relationship that isn't validated with anything but what you think. This is why there is so much confusion in the World in regards to Faith and God.

Human Beings require physical presence to develop healthy relationship(s), as the imagination is an endless vortex of Culture and ideologies developed as a child, which are used to interpret the unknown. Your God is not the God of the Native Americans, at least in thought.

Oh, and whether you like it or not, you are in a Religion. Try leaving and see what happens.