Is there going to be a rapture????

[Sean]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

There is going to a resurrection, for both saints, and dead. The exact timeline of how those events will take place is for God to know, and us to find out. We are to look for Christ coming as He left in the clouds... that is our hope, but as to what the timeline is of the saints and dead being resurrected remains the knowledge of God himself.

Im pre trib, but it is with an asterisk. I am hoping for a rapture before the tribulation for all of our sakes. The amount of passages I am aware of are pretty solidly substantiate that way. But as you say...only the Lord knows.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Esphes45

They did not go into it anymore then that. But are you saying that 1 Thessalonians 4:17 was added by Darby and Scoffield?

1 Thessalonians 4:17 has always been in the Bible,

but the interpretation given by Darby and Scoffield is new.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Sean

Im pre trib, but it is with an asterisk. I am hoping for a rapture before the tribulation for all of our sakes. The amount of passages I am aware of are pretty solidly substantiate that way. But as you say...only the Lord knows.

The Tribulation spoken in the Bible has already happened in 70 AD.
It was the destruction of Jerusalem.
Only greedy preachers who want to sell rapture books teach the rapture doctrine.

[Sean]

Rats...we lost this thread to the preterists...LOL. FZ, I bowed out of that debate in the debate room. You guys better stick to debating feasts. I cant do the feasts, I already struggle with weight gain...LOL

[Carl]

Originally Posted by Sean

Rats...we lost this thread to the preterists...LOL. FZ, I bowed out of that debate in the debate room. You guys better stick to debating feasts. I cant do the feasts, I already struggle with weight gain...LOL

Well maybe we could try the feasts in place of all of our traditional holidays and the resulting wait gain would be less!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Carl

Well maybe we could try the feasts in place of all of our traditional holidays and the resulting wait gain would be less!

At 53 years old, feasts of any kind are not in my best interest physically. Maybe we need to start an anti-feast movement...LOL

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Sean

At 53 years old, feasts of any kind are not in my best interest physically. Maybe we need to start an anti-feast movement...LOL

Maybe the Jehova's witless are onto something, they do not celebrate birthdays or any festive days. Kind of depressing if you ask me, but I guess it keeps them healthy or perhaps it is all that walking?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Maybe the Jehova's witless are onto something, they do not celebrate birthdays or any festive days. Kind of depressing if you ask me, but I guess it keeps them healthy or perhaps it is all that walking?

Well, when I get on a binge, I eat like a horse and have to walk a few miles to try to burn it off. It is challenging, when our metabolism slooooows down, our eating should also...LOL.

BTW...They have some decent points regarding some holidays, but they use it as a foot in the door to get a study going. I tolerate that stuff to a degree, but some of the holidays have too much paganism in them to acnowledge them as legitimate for us to participate in.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

ok.

I believe there will be one second coming at the end of the tribulation when Jesus comes to establish His Kingdom.

As to the OP and the question of the rapture. I believe in a rapture but I do not care for the term because of the connotations that go along with it in the theological world today. I do not believe we will be "caught away" but we will be "caught up" to meet the Lord in the air. It is more about the change that takes place, when mortality becomes immortality than it is the actual catching up. After Jesus gathers His bride to himself in the air, we will immediately return with him and war will be waged on earth and His earthly Kingdom will be established.

I do not believe in two phases to the second coming or two phases to the First Resurrection.

Nails it

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

The Tribulation spoken in the Bible has already happened in 70 AD.
It was the destruction of Jerusalem.
Only greedy preachers who want to sell rapture books teach the rapture doctrine.

I have never sold one book and been teaching the rapture (post trib" for decades.