Question For One Step Apostolics

[ctclady11]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

The thing that gets me regarding water baptism for remission of sins is that gentiles were told to believe for remission of sins and were filled before water baptism. Remission of sins is about being made alive. How could they be filled before remission of sins? No one has given an adequate answer, IMO.

Well kids ages 5 and up have gotten the Holy Ghost before being baptized, at the churches I have been a member of... Guess you have to either get the Holy Ghost or see it to believe it! Guess why that's why they say "God works in mysterious ways!"

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Sean

Please show the verses to clarify your position regarding just believing to get remission of sins...thanks


Also think about this.....when Catholics gets the Holy Ghost and continue in their religion(charismatics), are their sins remitted and they are no longer sinners? Are they okay to stay Holy Ghost filled Catholics?

Acts 10:43 KJV

To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

[UnTraditional]

TS, how do you reconcile this with Acts 2:38? Does God have two means for remitting sins, or should we believe that, as Jesus also taught, that he who believes and is baptized, which looks like Jesus tied both together as one?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Acts 10:43 KJV

To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Ok, thanks TS. Now lets read the rest of the passage...43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.




Now brother, they believing, were immediately baptized after recieving the Spirit, perfectly following this pattern of remission of sins....Acts 2

2 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.


Then immediately following, Peter declares this....36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Did you see that brother....Peter was the same guy in Acts 10 that baptized Cornelius.

He did not change his method of remission requirement, but IMMEDIATELY baptized these souls FOR(in order to obtain) the remission of sins.

[houston]

Depends on what the meaning of eis is.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Sean

Ok, thanks TS. Now lets read the rest of the passage...43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.




Now brother, they believing, were immediately baptized after recieving the Spirit, perfectly following this pattern of remission of sins....Acts 2

2 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.


Then immediately following, Peter declares this....36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Did you see that brother....Peter was the same guy in Acts 10 that baptized Cornelius.

He did not change his method of remission requirement, but IMMEDIATELY baptized these souls FOR(in order to obtain) the remission of sins.

Still doesn't answer having received life before remission of sins.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Still doesn't answer having received life before remission of sins.

exactly! I did... Many do. You know what we were taught? That God gave the Holy Ghost on loan. Whatever that means.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Still doesn't answer having received life before remission of sins.

The Holy Ghost does not remit sins...only water baptism does. The Holy Ghost is the "salt" that makes a person thirsty for the rest of the born again experience.

I was "slain in the Spirit" when I was still a sinner(1978)...it started me on a path as a "God seeker", yet I was still in my sins for nearly a year. I finally took care of the sin problem when I was baptized in 1979.

The Lord gives us the Holy Ghost also to lead us and guide us into ALL truth after we are born again.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Sean

The Holy Ghost is the "salt" that makes a person thirsty for the rest of the born again experience.

That's where in the bible?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by houston

That's where in the bible?

Houston, it was a figure of speech.

I was trying to say that without the Holy Ghost just "flattening" me from off a couch at an ex girlfriends' house, I would NEVER have become a holiness Pentecostal. I was a hippie, stoner, drunkard, etc. I "hated" holiness people(they repulsed me). The Holy Ghost just dealt with me constantly for a whole year after that experience until I finally surrendered, took Bible studies and got myself baptized .