Apostolics with Different Standards

aaronliford07 · #1 10-09-2014, 08:59 AM

What do you think about my suggestions?

http://aaronliford.com/post/99520196...with-different

KWSS1976 · #2 10-09-2014, 09:10 AM

To tell you the truth that is one reason we left our Apostolic church was my wife was noticing so of the women in the church, cutting there hair,wearing dresses to short, ETC,ETC,ETC I have no problem with it myself I am a come to church how you are type, but it is hard to watch it happen when it is also being preached against..My issue comes when you start trying to qoute scripture to back the way you dress knowing good and well it does not mean that..But some want to hold on to the Old Paths so let em..

aaronliford07 · #3 10-09-2014, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

To tell you the truth that is one reason we left our Apostolic church was my wife was noticing so of the women in the church, cutting there hair,wearing dresses to short, ETC,ETC,ETC I have no problem with it myself I am a come to church how you are type, but it is hard to watch it happen when it is also being preached against..My issue comes when you start trying to qoute scripture to back the way you dress knowing good and well it does not mean that..But some want to hold on to the Old Paths so let em..

Well I am definitely not against the standards that we are taught. But I do agree with you. There is an issue if it being preached against but then people turn around and do it anyways. That is hypocritical.

What scripture was you referring to that is quoted about standards but doesn't actually mean it?

Esphes45 · #4 10-09-2014, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by aaronliford07

What do you think about my suggestions?

http://aaronliford.com/post/99520196...with-different

So basically you are saying let each Apostolic church do what they feel, monitor their own folks and leave other apostolic churches alone.

I have a huge problem with that. It's not truth. God did not come here so everyone could have their own opinions and set up churches according to them. There is one church, one body.

1 Corinth. 1:10 - Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

We are not suppose to be on our own separate islands. We are suppose to be unified.

The problem with Apostolic churches are these blanket standards to which people are judged by.

For example, most apostolic churches condemn "short skirts". They will pound you to death as to not wear them, if you do you are of your Father the devil if you do. That is not what they should be doing. They should preach/teach modesty and let people make their own personal standard.

The bible tells us to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. It does not say for the church to work it out.

So in a nutshell, how can we all come together as one. Get rid of these made up standards, stick to the Word and let the Holy Ghost that God gives his people lead us to perfection.

Aquila · #5 10-09-2014, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Esphes45

So basically you are saying let each Apostolic church do what they feel, monitor their own folks and leave other apostolic churches alone.

I have a huge problem with that. It's not truth. God did not come here so everyone could have their own opinions and set up churches according to them. There is one church, one body.

1 Corinth. 1:10 - Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

We are not suppose to be on our own separate islands. We are suppose to be unified.

The problem with Apostolic churches are these blanket standards to which people are judged by.

For example, most apostolic churches condemn "short skirts". They will pound you to death as to not wear them, if you do you are of your Father the devil if you do. That is not what they should be doing. They should preach/teach modesty and let people make their own personal standard.

The bible tells us to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. It does not say for the church to work it out.

So in a nutshell, how can we all come together as one. Get rid of these made up standards, stick to the Word and let the Holy Ghost that God gives his people lead us to perfection.

I've befriended some Christian Quakers who strongly believe that individuals should be allowed and encouraged to individually follow the leading of the Spirit in many of these areas as it might relate to them individually. That's called... a personal relationship with God.

KWSS1976 · #6 10-09-2014, 01:49 PM

Arron, Deuteronomy 22:5 is one I am referring to

aaronliford07 · #7 10-09-2014, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Esphes45

So basically you are saying let each Apostolic church do what they feel, monitor their own folks and leave other apostolic churches alone.

I have a huge problem with that. It's not truth. God did not come here so everyone could have their own opinions and set up churches according to them. There is one church, one body.

1 Corinth. 1:10 - Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

We are not suppose to be on our own separate islands. We are suppose to be unified.

The problem with Apostolic churches are these blanket standards to which people are judged by.

For example, most apostolic churches condemn "short skirts". They will pound you to death as to not wear them, if you do you are of your Father the devil if you do. That is not what they should be doing. They should preach/teach modesty and let people make their own personal standard.

The bible tells us to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. It does not say for the church to work it out.

So in a nutshell, how can we all come together as one. Get rid of these made up standards, stick to the Word and let the Holy Ghost that God gives his people lead us to perfection.

I believe that we should all be unified and under one doctrine of standards. However, that is never going to happen. That's just reality.

What I was saying is that you as a SAINT have no obligation or authority to undermine what the pastor of another apostolic church or even your church is saying. Only the spiritual leaders (5 five fold ministry) has the obligation of teaching and rebuking. If you are not of the ministry then you have no obligation or authority to teach and rebuke. We are called to PREACH.

Rudy · #8 10-09-2014, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by aaronliford07

I believe that we should all be unified and under one doctrine of standards. However, that is never going to happen. That's just reality.

What I was saying is that you as a SAINT have no obligation or authority to undermine what the pastor of another apostolic church or even your church is saying. Only the spiritual leaders (5 five fold ministry) has the obligation of teaching and rebuking. If you are not of the ministry then you have no obligation or authority to teach and rebuke. We are called to PREACH.

Jim Jones would agree with you. If they teach lies and will not repent they need to be voted out. We are told to watch out for wolves in sheep's clothing.

Does your church have a board of elders Or a one man show? Pastoring is a position of servanthood. Not of a dictator to rule.

aaronliford07 · #9 10-09-2014, 02:50 PM

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Jim Jones would agree with you. If they teach lies and will not repent they need to be voted out. We are told to watch out for wolves in sheep's clothing.

Does your church have a board of elders Or a one man show? Pastoring is a position of servanthood. Not of a dictator to rule.

I am in the UPC and my church does have a board.

Michael The Disciple · #10 10-09-2014, 02:55 PM

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For example, most apostolic churches condemn "short skirts". They will pound you to death as to not wear them, if you do you are of your Father the devil if you do. That is not what they should be doing. They should preach/teach modesty and let people make their own personal standard.

How can short skirts be modest? Yes I think Christian women should be taught this. Better for them to wear loose pants than short skirts.