Matthew 24 fulfilled

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The apostles taught it as a real fact.

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Originally Posted by Sean

We are still in the Last Days

Last days for thousands of years?

[Sean]

Yes, it can be considered a "time period", like "grace"

[Sean]

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:




It is still happening....

[Sean]

Good night, I gotta go garage sale-ing in the am

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Originally Posted by Sean

Good night, I gotta go garage sale-ing in the am

Enjoy!

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Originally Posted by Sean

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:




It is still happening....

Who said it isn't?

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Matthew 24 shows Jesus walking from the temple after having shocked them out of their wits about destruction in their lifetimes. In that previous chapter, He said Jerusalem would have been "gathered together" like a hen gathers its chicks in safety from a coming onslaught, but they refused.

Having said that, and nothing about anybody's distant future thousands of years later, the stage was set for the questions of the disciples. They just heard Him speak of THEIR DAY and THEIR GENERATION.

Matthew 23:36-37 KJV Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. (37) O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

This is important, since the IDENTICAL TERMS are used later for the faithful people being gathered instead, and the timeframe remained the same -- the generation they were then living in.

So the, disciples show Him the very temple He just said would be destroyed. Why? Because of the words He just spoke in Ch. 23 about its destruction.

Matthew 24:1 KJV And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

Jesus repeats His assertion from Ch 23, not one stone would be left standing.

Matthew 24:2 KJV And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

This moves the disciples to ask about HIS COMING.

Matthew 24:3 KJV And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

THE SAME CONVERSATION is recorded in Mark 13 and Luke 21, but phrased slightly different due to the writer and the ingenious wisdom of the Spirit inspiring the writer, because the variance in terminology narrows down the meaning of those questions.

Mark 13:2-4 KJV And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. (3) And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately, (4) Tell us, color=red]when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?[/color]

Luke 21:6-7 KJV As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. (7) And they asked him, saying, Master, but [color]when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?[/color]

When they ask for the SIGN OF HIS COMING in Matt 24, that is a variation of the same question found in Mark and Luke of the SIGN WHEN THESE THINGS COME TO PASS. In order to realize what they meant, we put all the forms of the same questions together and come to this undeniable conclusion: the LORD WOULD COME WHEN THE TEMPLE IS DESTROYED.

The SIGN in Matthew 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13 is one and the same SIGN. It is phrased differently in each Gospel just like every other conversation recorded in all three gospels changes the words slightly. If the SIGN of His coming is the same SIGN when THESE THINGS COME TO PASS, we have to learn what THESE THINGS COME TO PASS is referring to. Jesus said the words "THESE THINGS" before they asked, informing us their questions pointed to the very thing He referred to first--- THE BUILDINGS OF THE TEMPLE BEING DESTROYED STONE BY STONE.

Without comparing the various versions of the same conversation, one would miss all of this, which is precisely why people reject the concept of a coming of the Lord in the first century when the temple was destroyed.

Jesus formerly spoke in Matthew about HIS COMING in destruction, not once having spoken earlier in Matthew anywhere about HIS SECOND COMING which is definitely still future.

Matthew 10:23 KJV But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Matthew 16:28 KJV Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Matthew 21:40-41 KJV When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? (41) They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons... Matthew 21:45 KJV And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

There is no other reference before Matt 24 ABOUT HIS COMING in all of Matthew that refers to the second coming. Matthew only recorded His words about a first century coming. THE SECOND COMING that is definitely future is found in John 5, 1 Thess 4 and 1 Cor 15, as well as a few other places in the epistles. But not in Matthew. the context of Matthew's COMING of the Lord is a first century coming alone.

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We learn the questions the disciples asked were synonymous and NOT ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT THINGS. The Bible often rephrased the same concept in one conversation since it was a Hebrew way of speaking.

When they asked about the END OF THE WORLD, the Greek word for WORLD is actually better translated as AGE. THE END OF THE AGE.

Jesus said NOTHING before their questions to make them ask about thousands of years in the distant future. They just heard Him speak about their day when the temple would be destroyed. WHY WOULD ANYONE THINK HE TALKED ABOUT SOMETHING THEY NEVER EVEN ASKED ABOUT? Their questions were all about THE TEMPLE DESTRUCTION. If you were alive in that day and heard the words of the previous chapter, Matthew 23, would YOU ask about events to come thousands of years later?

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Jerusalem's temple was instituted back in Solomon's day, and time never passed very long before a new one was built after a previous one was destroyed. THERE IS STILL NO TEMPLE THERE after almost two thousand years! And they asked about something different than that monstrously monumental issue to occur in their day? The proposect seems foolish in light of context.

After having asked the Lord of the SIGN OF HIS COMING, when the temple would be destroyed, he proceeded the answer them.

Matthew 24:4-12 KJV And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. (5) For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. (6) And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. (7) For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. (8) All these are the beginning of sorrows. (9) Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. (10) And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. (11) And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. (12) And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Jesus addresses several things that He emphasizes were not the SIGN they asked about. These were things to occur before the SIGN. However, in each case, He distinctly noted the second personal pronouns YE, and YOU. This repeats the same emphasis from the previous chapter where they would experience the destruction of the temple and city, and the "THESE THINGS" regarding the same.

Incidentally, the list of the seals in Revelation 6 fall in the EXACT SAME SEQUENCE as these are listed here. Matthew 24 is Christ's interpretation of Revelation 6.

Between the time of the cross and the destruction of the city, there were more false prophets than ever since everyone knew Daniel's prophecy of Messiah coming after 69 weeks was THAT TIME PERIOD. So they were all claiming to be the Messiah of Daniel's prophecy. Earthquakes abounded which is recorded in ancient history of that time. The book of Acts speaks of quakes, famines, etc. Christians were persecuted in the first century right in the Book of Acts!

Jesus never said those things would never happen again, but just that THEY would see them IN THAT DAY in MORE ABUNDANCE.

Matthew 24:13-14 KJV But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. (14) And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

This was fulfilled before Paul finished his epistles. The gospel of the kingdom going to all the world was distinctly mentioned as done by Paul:

Colossians 1:5-6 KJV For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; (6) Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

Colossians 1:23 KJV If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

If Paul said the gospel went to all the world at his time, then he obviously meant the then-known world. That is what Jesus meant as well. The phraseology of "all the world" was commonly used in the New Testament to only refer to the then-known jurisdiction of the Roman empire.

Luke 2:1 KJV And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.

All NATIONS in Greek means ALL TRIBES. The END that would come was the end they asked about... THE END OF THE AGE. Not the planet.

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Matthew 24:15-16 KJV When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand (16) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

As with the questions the disciples asked, we have to compare this version in Matthew with Luke 21 and Mark 13 to narrow it down and reveal the correct picture.

Mark 13:14 KJV But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Luke 21:20-21 KJV And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. (21) Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Obviously the abomination would occur when the city was surrounded by Roman armies, which occurred in the first century. THE WHOLE CITY WAS A HOLY PLACE. When the Romans came into the city, they brought standards which were IDOLS ON POLES. Idols came into the holy city. Even the temple was trespassed by these idol carrying Romans.

History records the CHURCH fled the city when Cestius Gallus approached with armies and, for not apparent reason, backed off. If the Christians did not believe it was their day and stayed, they would have PERISHED. BUT NOT ONE PERISHED! Like myself, and others, they believed the Lord meant THEIR DAY. THANK GOD THEY DID!

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