Mark of the beast idea

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

It just not fair bro....All of Christianity has been waiting for the return of our Lord and He showed up secretly to "rule the world with a rod of iron" 2000 years ago....

And I wasn't even informed.

It was not even mentioned in history...

Its just not fair...



You would have at least told the UPC or something...LOL

You're the one to talk. You believe in Pretrib secret rapture where the Lord comes to take us like a thief in the night and no one sees him come or go, and see empty clothes all over the place. Voila! Secret rapture, secret coming of the Lord.

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Originally Posted by Sean

Never?

Your lack of scripture confirms that.

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Originally Posted by Sean

Really Mike?......look what you said.....what am I supposed to think you said here?

That makes absolutely no sense at all. You clearly do not know what a foreshadow is.

Moses flatly stated Good would raise up a property like him. That is nothing to you? This betrays a gaping hole in your theology. Wow.

You see no topology in Moses as a little child going into Egypt escaping death by massacre as Jesus did the same? Wow.

There's nothing vague about it. QUOTE MFBLUME


I do read your stuff Mike, thats the problem.


I need to be like sgt. Schultz when I see your posts and just say..."I see nothing, I hear nothing, I know nothing"...LOL

Theyre my words but they in no way say JESUS was a type of Moses. Read it more carefully. Jesus is not a type of Moses... Lol. He's the anti-type and Moses was a type of Him! Jesus is anti type, not type. Read it again. You're unbelievable. Now will you stop lying about my beliefs?

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Originally Posted by Sean

LIES?

In your sites here, you use Josephus as a reference....https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...77880786,d.aWw

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...VbC3mpEfQZQ5SA


This post you commented on was not about you at all. You just took it personal. I said the "preterists" were using Josephus as a reference. Thats it.

Now you lie about what your words were. You said that all I ever said to you was was josephus. That's what I took issue with you about. You talked about our chats on this forum. You addressed me. So, yes, lying. You spoke more about Josephus than any preterist here.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Now you lie about what your words were. You said that all I ever said to you was was josephus. That's what I took issue with you about. You talked about our chats on this forum. You addressed me. So, yes, lying. You spoke more about Josephus than any preterist here. And contrary to your falsehood, I said nothing to you about Josephus.

I addressed all of you preterists and Josephus as a whole group. Sorry if you took it personal. But obviously you do use Josephus as a reference to preterism as we can see on your sites.

You keep saying "LIE" and other such bold words to try to prejudice your followers though.
You are showing me signs of being on the ropes doctrinally.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Theyre my words but they in no way say JESUS was a type of Moses. Read it more carefully. Jesus is not a type of Moses... Lol. He's the anti-type and Moses was a type of Him! Jesus is anti type, not type. Read it again. You're unbelievable. Now will you stop lying about my beliefs?

Antitype?...where does it say that in the post....it says (topology)WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?...TYPE?

Must I read your mind.

I am trying to figure your beliefs out, but you only feed us a little at a time. I must sometimes just make a decision, based on what I read.
BTW...thanks for clarifying your beliefs there, whatever they are.




That makes absolutely no sense at all. You clearly do not know what a foreshadow is.

Moses flatly stated Good would raise up a property like him. That is nothing to you? This betrays a gaping hole in your theology. Wow.

You see no topology in Moses as a little child going into Egypt escaping death by massacre as Jesus did the same? Wow.

There's nothing vague about it. QUOTE MFBLUME

ANTITYPE???....


.to·pol·o·gy
təˈpäləjē/Submit
noun
1.
MATHEMATICS
the study of geometric properties and spatial relations unaffected by the continuous change of shape or size of figures.
plural noun: topologies
2.
the way in which constituent parts are interrelated or arranged.
"the topology of a computer n

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

Antitype?...where does it say that in the post....it says (topology)WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?...TYPE?

Must I read your mind.

IT IS TYPOLOGY. A typo with my mobile phone.

TYPOLOGY.

I am trying to figure your beliefs out, but you only feed us a little at a time. I must sometimes just make a decision, based on what I read.
BTW...thanks for clarifying your beliefs there, whatever they are.

I told you over and over again that Moses foreshadowed Jesus. But by the way you responded, you do not know what it means to foreshadow something. That which foreshadows something is a type of that same something. Moses foreshadowing Christ (which is what I claimed all along) means MOSES IS A TYPE OF JESUS.

Did you get it this time? Can you see how you did not know what foreshadow means and got it backwards? lol You say you cannot read my beliefs correctly since I ma not giving enough? No, everyone else got it. You just did not know what FORESHADOW means/

That makes absolutely no sense at all. You clearly do not know what a foreshadow is.

Moses flatly stated Good would raise up a property like him. That is nothing to you? This betrays a gaping hole in your theology. Wow.

You see no topology in Moses as a little child going into Egypt escaping death by massacre as Jesus did the same? Wow.

There's nothing vague about it. QUOTE MFBLUME

ANTITYPE???....


.to·pol·o·gy
təˈpäləjē/Submit
noun
1.
MATHEMATICS
the study of geometric properties and spatial relations unaffected by the continuous change of shape or size of figures.
plural noun: topologies
2.
the way in which constituent parts are interrelated or arranged.
"the topology of a computer n

TYPOLOGY.

Now, do you know what an ANTITYPE is?

I trust not.

So look:

an·ti·type
ˈan(t)iˌtīp/
noun
1. a person or thing that represents the opposite of someone or something else.
2. something that is represented by a symbol.

Jesus is the antitype of Moses, because JESUS IS REPRESENTED BY MOSES. MOSES is NOT represented by Jesus. You distinctly told the direct OPPOSITE of what I have been saying every time you accused me of saying Jesus was a type of Moses. lol So,,... PLEASE get it right this time. Everyone else did. Now that you know what FORESHADOW and ANTITYPE means, ... just.... please. (sigh)

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Originally Posted by Sean

I addressed all of you preterists and Josephus as a whole group. Sorry if you took it personal. But obviously you do use Josephus as a reference to preterism as we can see on your sites.

You keep saying "LIE" and other such bold words to try to prejudice your followers though.
You are showing me signs of being on the ropes doctrinally.

YOU WERE TALKING TO ME. You said people can GOOGLE MY NAME "MFBLUME" and "JOSEPHUS" and see it. I responded say the only website that came up with mfblume and Josephus was YOUR WORDS ON THIS FORUM! lo. You said it is all I ever said TO YOU. Stop backpeddling and admit you were wrong.

It was never a matter of whether or not I mentioned Josephus ELSEWHERE. It was a matter of me and you on this forum. I engaged you on this forum more than anyone has about preterism when you said all I ever said to YOU was Josephus. That was a lie. All I ever did with YOU was talk BIBLE BIBLE BIBLE. The you'd back out due to some excuse and never answer my questions. So, enough of this nonsense. Get on with the discussion.

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Sean, do you even know what a TYPE is?

By the way, I still recall you saying the last days lasted for the duration of the whole church age since the day of Pentecost until now and beyond. Then you said LAST DAY SAINTS were only today's saints whom the apostles wrote to about LAST DAYS. We don't forget these things.

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Why do so many apostolics confuse beast with antichrist?

Compare the two uses in the bible:


ANTICHRIST

1 John 2:18-19 KJV Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. (19) They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

1 John 2:22 KJV Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3 KJV And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7 KJV For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

That's it, the word ANTICHRIST is only used in THOSE 4 passages. Not once is it used in the entire Book of Revelation.

The lines I emboldened can describe millions of people. In fact, the only SINGULAR antichrist called "THE ANTICHRIST" in the bible is a SPIRIT that confesses Jesus did not come in the flesh. It is not a man! When it is in human form, it is ONLY MANY antichrists, never just one major one. The beast in Rev 13 has NOT ONE TRAIT ABOUT IT that is found in John's words about antichrist. Nothing John said in Rev 13 is mentioned in his epistles where he uses the term antichrist. NOTHING. John said antichrists were IN THE CHURCH BUT LEFT IT. How does that refer to the beast!? lol


BEAST

Revelation 13:1-4 KJV And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. (2) And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. (3) And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. (4) And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Revelation 13:16-18 KJV (16) And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: (17) And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. (18) Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.


What is there that is common between anything written about the antichrist (that is a spirit that manifests in people as antichrists, WHO LEFT THE CHURCH!!!) and the BEAST of Rev 13?

NOTHING!

But that doesn't stop people from confusing over and over the antichrist with the beast.

That alone makes me highly question a person's eschatology if they cannot even see that difference. If they cannot see the difference in use of terms, how in the world will they be able to rightly divide the larger issue of the scriptures themselves?