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Originally Posted by Aquila
I think what you're doing is pointing out how Oneness has erroneously been viewed over the years. 
For example, let me ask this question...
Was the conscious reality seen in the man, Christ Jesus (the Son of God), who prayed to the Father and had relationship with the Father pre-existent? Of course not. The conscious reality seen in the man Jesus Christ who prayed to the Father and spoke of the Father wasn't pre-existent accept in the very mind of God as the future plan through which He would manifest Himself. |
How has Oneness been erroneously viewed? I view Jesus being a man. But I view Jesus as God the Father outside the incarnation at the same time.
I understand by scripture that Jesus pre existed as the
ONE YHWH of the OT. He was not called Jesus then. He was YHWH. He changed his Logos (personal expression) from a spiritual form into a human form which became his Son Yeshua.
It looked something like this.
Phil. 2:5-8
5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in
the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made
in the likeness of men: 8And being found in
fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
An important note: The word "fashion" in verse 8 is from a Greek word that means MODE. This is where we get the very useful concept of "Modalism". So yes Modalism is in the Bible.
It was only the
FORM of God that was made flesh, not his entire omnipresent spirit essence. The omnipresent spirit took the pre existing form, logos, express image of himself and reduced it down to the size of a seed and planted it spiritually in Marys womb.
9 months later out came the logos made flesh. The omnipresent spirit as stated was still everywhere it had always been before.
THIS SPIRIT was what Yeshua prayed to and called "my father".
While he was here as a man he told Nicodemus he himself was
STILL IN HEAVEN!
13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven,
even the Son of man which is in heaven.
John 3:13
So here is a perfect example of the dual nature of Christ.
As a man he really was/is a man. As God he is fully and exclusively God.
I dont buy the Jesus is a godman theory. He is not half god and half man. Yes the Holy Spirit dwells in the man Yeshua without measure but thats as a man.
So Jesus in his deity is the
YHWH ELOHIM. In his humanity he is the human son of YHWH albeit exalted to be both Lord and Christ. YHWH and Adon.
Yeshua in his humanity dwells
IN the omnipresent spirit.
14That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 15Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16Who only hath immortality,
dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto;
whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
1 Tim 6:14-16
In Heaven they see Yeshua in his glorified humanity sitting on the throne surrounded in the glory of the eternal spirit.
Hope that helps.
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