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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
How much simpler it would be if I could just return to the faith of my childhood and early adult years without asking any questions!
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10-29-2014, 04:31 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
Just believe Jesus is God bro. It only affects you if you must explain it to somebody else.
Just think of Him as you pray to Him. You will always be right on in your prayers.
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10-29-2014, 08:40 PM
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Just believe Jesus is God bro. It only affects you if you must explain it to somebody else.
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10-29-2014, 09:55 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Aquila
Jesus said, John 10:30
30 I and my Father are one. (KJV) Jesus went on to say that this "oneness" was more than merely a union in purpose, mind, or desire. In fact, it is a union of being: John 12:45
45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. (KJV) Let's look at how Jesus explained this "oneness" to Phillip: John 14:7-10
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. (KJV) Therefore, while both the Father and the Son are distinct, it is through this union of being that the Father shares in all that the Son is... and the Son shares in all that the Father is.
So, with the above in mind, let's look at your questions:
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Your theology is contradictory. It's a logical contradiction. You in essence told me Father and Son are the same Person. Father and Son are NOT the same Person
That violates the law of non-contradiction
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-29-2014, 09:58 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Aquila
Praxeas, here are a few of my questions:
Can a "nature" pray?
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Would not what you call the "human nature" have a "human person" as part of it's intrinsic identity?
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No. Natures do not have Persons. Persons have Nature. Nature are all the qualities or attributes inherit to whatever kind of being a Person is
Person is not a quality. Qualities don't do things
I also don't really understand what you mean by identity
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Would not the "person" of that "human nature" pray to the Father?
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Person is not a quality or attribute of nature
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And is that not what we see in Scripture?
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No
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-29-2014, 09:58 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson
How much simpler it would be if I could just return to the faith of my childhood and early adult years without asking any questions!
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How do you explain what you believe to people who ask questions?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-30-2014, 03:02 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Aquila
Praxeas, here are a few of my questions:
Can a "nature" pray? Or do "persons" pray?
Would not what you call the "human nature" have a "human person" as part of it's intrinsic identity?
Would not the "person" of that "human nature" pray to the Father?
And is that not what we see in Scripture?
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"nature" never does anything.
Persons have or possess a nature/natures.
Persons do things.
The person that possessed the human nature did pray to the Father. In the case of Jesus, that person that prayed was the same person as the Father.
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10-30-2014, 06:18 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Sean
Just believe Jesus is God bro. It only affects you if you must explain it to somebody else.
Just think of Him as you pray to Him. You will always be right on in your prayers.
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Ultimately, you're right.
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10-30-2014, 06:19 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Your theology is contradictory. It's a logical contradiction. You in essence told me Father and Son are the same Person. Father and Son are NOT the same Person
That violates the law of non-contradiction
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If I have two glasses, one half filled with wine... the other with water. And I pour them both into the second glass. Is the second glass wine or water?
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10-30-2014, 06:23 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
Let's use biblical terminology...
2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV)
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. If I say that God was in Christ... am I mistaken or biblical?
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