Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Father?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Sean, did Jesus become God or was he always God?

I think Jesus was born a baby, grew to be a man, died and was glorified as Almighty God after the resurrection.


He is now the one true Almighty God you guys are discussing.

I dont believe he preexisted bro.

I dont believe he was a GOD/MAN

I believe he was a perfect human being and Gods' only begotten(human) son without sin, that was INDWELLED by his God(Father) for 33 years of life on earth.

[Sean]

I believe the Father(God) was in the son(man), speaking words through him and doing miracles through him.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Sean

I think Jesus was born a baby, grew to be a man, died and was glorified as Almighty God after the resurrection.


He is now the one true Almighty God you guys are discussing.

I dont believe he preexisted bro.

I dont believe he was a GOD/MAN

I believe he was a perfect human being and Gods' only begotten(human) son without sin, that was INDWELLED by his God(Father) for 33 years of life on earth.

Jesus didn't preexist but he is now the one true Almighty God.... some peoples logic never ceases to amaze me.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Jesus didn't preexist but he is now the one true Almighty God.... some peoples logic never ceases to amaze me.

What is so hard about a human being being exalted by Almighty God as our God and being Indwelled by that same God?


Or would you rather try to wrap your head around pages and pages of explanations by our professors of how we have a divine/human?(all God/all man).


The simple scripture defines what I believe. I think my concept is very close to what the early church thought.

Notice, they only had the passages we quote, not books FILLED with explanations as we do today.

The early church did just fine without the commentaries.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sean

Prax, I read this post it is very interesting, however, Jason did not post a single scripture in his argument. This is where I draw the line with deep theological discussions. I make it a habit to use MOSTLY scripture, minimizing the big explanations.

God did not die, nor can he die.

A man on a cross named JESUS, 2000 years ago said ..."Father, why hast thou FORSAKEN me?"....Hours later he said..."in thy hands I commend MY spirit"(human spirit)...then he died)

Jesus died ALONE!






Jesus is ALMIGHTY GOD!!!

Go read his other articles. He uses lots of scriptures.

Your post is really contradictory but you don't see it. You have Jesus a man dying on the cross, yet he is not God but a man, then you say Jesus is Almighty God!!!

You have a man named Jesus who died and a God named Jesus who did not die.

It sounds like Unitarians with a twist...both your persons are named Jesus. You can complain all you want. Im not being mean. Im telling you exactly what you are telling me

If you disagree, try to find another way to word it.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sean

The Father(God), FORSOOK(left) his human son(Jesus) to die ALONE.

When you forsake someone, you leave them.



for·sake verb \fər-ˈsāk, fȯr-\
: to give up or leave (someone or something) entirely





Jesus is ALMIGHTY GOD!!!

Do you see what you say? The Father (God), left His human Son (Jesus)...then you contradict that and say "Jesus is Almighty God!!"

You have 1 God and 1 human

Maybe you can answer my questions that I asked earlier to help me?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sean

Jason Dulle needs to paint his doctrine with scriptures, not lectures.





Jesus is ALMIGHTY GOD!!!

Don't be judgmental out of ignorance. Jason Dulle uses LOTS of scriptures.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sean

God did not become a man.....God was manifested(revealed) inside a man. His begotten human son, Jesus....

1 Timothy 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God(Father) was manifest(revealed) in the flesh(Jesus), justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


man·i·fest1
ˈmanəˌfest/Submit
adjective
1.
clear or obvious to the eye or mind.
"the system's manifest failings"
synonyms: obvious, clear, plain, apparent, evident, patent, palpable, distinct, definite, blatant, overt, glaring, barefaced, explicit, transparent, conspicuous, undisguised, unmistakable, noticeable, perceptible, visible, recognizable





Jesus is ALMIGHTY GOD!!!

That is utter confusion and contradiction. You say exactly what the Unitarians say, but you end it with "Jesus is ALMIGHTY GOD!!!"

You seem to be denying Jesus is God and then saying he is God.

You even here use the name Jesus exclusively for the Son and not the Father.

Jesus is a man, not God, that died, Jesus IS God, not man. It's a contradiction

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sean

Jesus as a man, was glorified as our God after the resurrection.


Jesus is ALMIGHTY GOD!!!

So Jesus the man because Jesus the God?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sean

I think Jesus was born a baby, grew to be a man, died and was glorified as Almighty God after the resurrection.


He is now the one true Almighty God you guys are discussing.

I dont believe he preexisted bro.

I dont believe he was a GOD/MAN

I believe he was a perfect human being and Gods' only begotten(human) son without sin, that was INDWELLED by his God(Father) for 33 years of life on earth.

So the only difference between you and Unitarians is that the second person became God later on

And between your view and Trinitarians is the Second person who became God did not always exist

Yeah..thats not Oneness. Oneness teaches Jesus is and has always been the One God before, during and after being born.