The Standard By Which We Will Be Judged

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

I have heard Baptist preachers preach, "you can not live without sinning every day".

Most Pentecostals by far agree. At least those I talk to. Especially people on the Forum.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Most Pentecostals by far agree. At least those I talk to. Especially people on the Forum.

I don't and again, I've never heard that preached by an Apostolic preacher.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

We can't die daily. We are to believe we are dead to sin, its a fact accomplished in Christ.

Well yes it is a fact established in Christ. And yet it still has to be walked out by faith day by day.

23And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. 24For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it. Luke 9:23-24

It is on a daily basis because thats how life is lived. One day at a time.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Well yes it is a fact established in Christ. And yet it still has to be walked out by faith day by day.

23And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. 24For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it. Luke 9:23-24

It is on a daily basis because thats how life is lived. One day at a time.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Well yes it is a fact established in Christ. And yet it still has to be walked out by faith day by day.

23And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. 24For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it. Luke 9:23-24

It is on a daily basis because thats how life is lived. One day at a time.

Yes day by day we walk by faith but we don't die daily. We are renewed daily in the faith and the word that we are dead.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Yes day by day we walk by faith but we don't die daily. We are renewed daily in the faith and the word that we are dead.

Lets try it this way. To die daily could be like this. You were planning a nice peaceful hike in the hill country for Saturday. Saturday morning a brother in Christ calls and says his car wont start and he cant miss another day of work or he will be fired.

Well your desire was to do the hiking but you love the Brother so you die to your plan........and go pick the Bro up, take him to work and tell him you will pick him up 8 hours later.

You died to self THAT DAY.

Tomorrow it may be something else. Life is lived one day at a time. You cant die out to self all at once because all trials dont come at once. They come daily for most of us. Therefore we cant die to self ahead of our trials and temptations.

HOWEVER when they do come we BY FAITH draw from the established fact that in Christ we are DEAD TO SELF. Our faith is in the established fact but faith makes it actually come true in our life.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

I don't and again, I've never heard that preached by an Apostolic preacher.

Im only aware of perhaps 2-3 people on this forum that seem to have believed the Christian can consistently overcome sin.

[Michael The Disciple]

OK so now we all agree that our works must be perfect if we expect to enter Heavens gates??

Rev. 3:1-2


1And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. 2Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

So this is THE STANDARD by which Christians are judged.

Christ continues addressing the fact their works were not perfect and the consequences thereof.


3Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. 4Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. 5He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 6He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

So two things up front. Verse 3 they will miss his coming. Verse 5 he will blot their names out of the book of life.

Very serious stuff.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Lets try it this way. To die daily could be like this. You were planning a nice peaceful hike in the hill country for Saturday. Saturday morning a brother in Christ calls and says his car wont start and he cant miss another day of work or he will be fired.

Well your desire was to do the hiking but you love the Brother so you die to your plan........and go pick the Bro up, take him to work and tell him you will pick him up 8 hours later.

You died to self THAT DAY.

Tomorrow it may be something else. Life is lived one day at a time. You cant die out to self all at once because all trials dont come at once. They come daily for most of us. Therefore we cant die to self ahead of our trials and temptations.

HOWEVER when they do come we BY FAITH draw from the established fact that in Christ we are DEAD TO SELF. Our faith is in the established fact but faith makes it actually come true in our life.

Agree to disagree I guess.

Colossians 3:3 KJV

For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

OK so now we all agree that our works must be perfect if we expect to enter Heavens gates??

Rev. 3:1-2


1And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. 2Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

So this is THE STANDARD by which Christians are judged.

Christ continues addressing the fact their works were not perfect and the consequences thereof.


3Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. 4Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. 5He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 6He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

So two things up front. Verse 3 they will miss his coming. Verse 5 he will blot their names out of the book of life.

Very serious stuff.

Ho could a churches work not be perfect?