Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Father?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Aquila

No translation of the Bible is perfect.

Amen. Sad but true.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

These holidays were simultaneously celebrated.

As usual you are dodging my actual questions. Where does the GREEK word say that?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by mfblume

As usual you are dodging my actual questions. Where does the GREEK word say that?

The bible(which you dont agree with) says that.....

Acts 12:4King James Version (KJV)

4 And when he(Herod) had apprehended him, he(Herod) put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter(Herods day) to bring him forth to the people.



This wil fix your little dilemma if you care to read it....https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...78677474,d.cGU

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

[COLOR="Red"]The bible(which you dont agree with) says that.....

Acts 12:4King James Version (KJV)

4 And when he(Herod) had apprehended him, he(Herod) put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter(Herods day) to bring him forth to the people.



This wil fix your little dilemma if you care to read it....

Still dodging. You really don't think of looking at Greek definitions, do you?

Here's the inerrant verse:



THAT is the verse that shows PASCHA not EASTER in Greek.

You reject the Textus Receptus verse itself when you say EASTER is the correct translation for PASCHA.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Still dodging. You really don't think of looking at Greek definitions, do you?

Here's what the TRUTHFUL verse:

I knew you wouldnt read it...you are in "no mans land" with no true word of God for your life.

You dont want answers to have a "pure" bible. You are comfotable arguing that all bibles are tainted. The KJV is our only hope of a "pure" word from God.

Bummer for anyone that reaches that statement of their struggling faith.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

I knew you wouldnt read it...you are in "no mans land" with no true word of God for your life.

You dont want answers to have a "pure" bible. You are comfotable arguing that all bibles are tainted. The KJV is our only hope of a "pure" word from God.

Bummer for anyone that reaches that statement of their struggling faith.

That's just getting childish now.

[houston]

I threw out the KJV. I use the ESV.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by houston

I threw out the KJV. I use the ESV.

To each his own, but I would not recommend that. The ESV removed the blood of Jesus many times, removes LORD from Christ in many instances, and omits or questions such passages as how prayer and fasting are required to cast out some demons. To name a few.

[mfblume]

Houston, food for thought:

Many drop the KJV due to archaic English. However, the ruse is that the modern versions using modern language OMIT key and pivotal points, that if you look at the omissions it sounds like a snake hissing!

Gospel of Matthew
1) Mt. 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
ESV 1:25 but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.

2) Mt. 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
ESV 5:22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.


3) Mt. 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
ESV 5:44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,


4) Mt. 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
ESV 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.


5) Mt. 6:27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
ESV 6:27 And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life?
?

6) Mt. 8:2 And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.
ESV 8:2 And behold, a leper came to him and knelt before him, saying, “Lord, if you will, you can make me clean.”

7) Mt. 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
ESV 8:29 And behold, they cried out, “What have you to do with us, O Son of God? Have you come here to torment us before the time?”

8) Mt. 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
ESV 9:13 Go and learn what this means, ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.’ For I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.”

9) Mt. 9:18 While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.
ESV 9:18 While he was saying these things to them, behold, a ruler came in and knelt before him, saying, “My daughter has just died, but come and lay your hand on her, and she will live.”

10) Mt. 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
ESV 12:35 The good person out of his good treasure brings forth good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure brings forth evil.

11) Mt. 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
ESV 12:47 verse missing

12) Mt. 13:51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.
ESV 13:51 “Have you understood all these things?” They said to him, “Yes.”

13) Mt. 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
ESV 15:6 he need not honor his father.’ So for the sake of your tradition you have made void the word of God.

14) Mt. 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
ESV 15:8 “This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me;

15) Mt, 15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
ESV 15:25 But she came and knelt before him, saying, “Lord, help me.”


16) Mt. 16:3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
ESV 16:3 And in the morning, ‘It will be stormy today, for the sky is red and threatening.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.

17) Mt. 16:20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
ESV 16:20 Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ.


18) Mt. 17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
ESV 17:21 Whole verse is missing.


19) Mt. 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
ESV 18:11 missing

20) Mt. 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: [/b][/u]and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.[/b][/u]
ESV 19:9 And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”

21) Mt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
ESV 19:17 And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.”

22) Mt. 20:7 They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.
ESV 20:7 They said to him, ‘Because no one has hired us.’ He said to them, ‘You go into the vineyard too.’

23) Mt. 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
ESV 20:16 So the last will be first, and the first last.”

24) Mt. 20:20 Then came to him the mother of Zebedee’s children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him.
ESV 20:20 Then the mother of the sons of Zebedee came up to him with her sons, and kneeling before him she asked him for something.

25) Mt. 20:22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
ESV 20:22 Jesus answered, “You do not know what you are asking. Are you able to drink the cup that I am to drink?” They said to him, “We are able.

26) Mt. 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
ESV 23:14 Verse missing.
NIV 23:14 Verse missing.

27) Mt. 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
ESV 24:7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places.


28) Mt. 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Note ‘my’ is changed to (the) in the ESV
ESV 24:36 “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but (the) Father only.


29) Mt. 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
ESV 25:13 Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.


30) Mt 27:34 They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink.
ESV 27:34 they offered him wine to drink, mixed with gall, but when he tasted it, he would not drink it.

31) Mt. 27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
ESV 27:35 And when they had crucified him, they divided his garments among them by casting lots.

32) Mt. 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
ESV 28:2 And behold, there was a great earthquake, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled back the stone and sat on it.

33) Mt. 28:9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
ESV 28:9 And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him.

That is just MATTHEW!

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Houston, food for thought:

Many drop the KJV due to archaic English. However, the ruse is that the modern versions using modern language OMIT key and pivotal points, that if you look at the omissions it sounds like a snake hissing!

Gospel of Matthew
1) Mt. 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
ESV 1:25 but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.

2) Mt. 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
ESV 5:22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.


3) Mt. 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
ESV 5:44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,


4) Mt. 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
ESV 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.


5) Mt. 6:27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
ESV 6:27 And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life?
?

6) Mt. 8:2 And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.
ESV 8:2 And behold, a leper came to him and knelt before him, saying, “Lord, if you will, you can make me clean.”

7) Mt. 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
ESV 8:29 And behold, they cried out, “What have you to do with us, O Son of God? Have you come here to torment us before the time?”

8) Mt. 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
ESV 9:13 Go and learn what this means, ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.’ For I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.”

9) Mt. 9:18 While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.
ESV 9:18 While he was saying these things to them, behold, a ruler came in and knelt before him, saying, “My daughter has just died, but come and lay your hand on her, and she will live.”

10) Mt. 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
ESV 12:35 The good person out of his good treasure brings forth good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure brings forth evil.

11) Mt. 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
ESV 12:47 verse missing

12) Mt. 13:51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.
ESV 13:51 “Have you understood all these things?” They said to him, “Yes.”

13) Mt. 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
ESV 15:6 he need not honor his father.’ So for the sake of your tradition you have made void the word of God.

14) Mt. 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
ESV 15:8 “This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me;

15) Mt, 15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
ESV 15:25 But she came and knelt before him, saying, “Lord, help me.”


16) Mt. 16:3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
ESV 16:3 And in the morning, ‘It will be stormy today, for the sky is red and threatening.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.

17) Mt. 16:20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
ESV 16:20 Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ.


18) Mt. 17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
ESV 17:21 Whole verse is missing.


19) Mt. 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
ESV 18:11 missing

20) Mt. 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: [/b][/u]and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.[/b][/u]
ESV 19:9 And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”

21) Mt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
ESV 19:17 And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.”

22) Mt. 20:7 They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.
ESV 20:7 They said to him, ‘Because no one has hired us.’ He said to them, ‘You go into the vineyard too.’

23) Mt. 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
ESV 20:16 So the last will be first, and the first last.”

24) Mt. 20:20 Then came to him the mother of Zebedee’s children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him.
ESV 20:20 Then the mother of the sons of Zebedee came up to him with her sons, and kneeling before him she asked him for something.

25) Mt. 20:22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
ESV 20:22 Jesus answered, “You do not know what you are asking. Are you able to drink the cup that I am to drink?” They said to him, “We are able.

26) Mt. 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
ESV 23:14 Verse missing.
NIV 23:14 Verse missing.

27) Mt. 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
ESV 24:7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places.


28) Mt. 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Note ‘my’ is changed to (the) in the ESV
ESV 24:36 “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but (the) Father only.


29) Mt. 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
ESV 25:13 Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.


30) Mt 27:34 They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink.
ESV 27:34 they offered him wine to drink, mixed with gall, but when he tasted it, he would not drink it.

31) Mt. 27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
ESV 27:35 And when they had crucified him, they divided his garments among them by casting lots.

32) Mt. 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
ESV 28:2 And behold, there was a great earthquake, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled back the stone and sat on it.

33) Mt. 28:9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
ESV 28:9 And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him.

That is just MATTHEW!

The ESV is very close to a literal translation. Maybe the omissions mentioned were never part of the original manuscripts.

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