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Jesus did not emphasize doom more than anything else like you imply. You SEEM to have have demonstrated that doom is the most important factor by the amount of stress you put on it when describing ministries and assessing doctrines.
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I dont really emphasize it more than anything else. I emphasize all foundation doctrine. Why is the preaching of "doom" so important?
There are BILLIONS of people on Earth. Every one of them is either going to the kingdom of Heaven or into Gehenna fire. Most are lost. They need to hear the message they ARE LOST.
Until one realizes they are lost and heading for destruction in Hell they cannot be saved. After they see what is going to befall them they can hear a message of deliverance. So much doom and destruction must be preached to the lost so they might understand they can be saved.
Also.....the teaching of Christ for the saved is their lives must be transformed. They are called unto good works. If their works are not perfect they can STILL be lost.
Therefore one finds themself preaching doom also to the "saved". Reason being everywhere you turn in these evil days Preachers lie to saints. Telling them they need not be holy and perfect. Its all in what Jesus did on the cross.
I'm sure you have heard this. They call it "Christ alone salvation". While its true we are saved by Christ alone or "Jesus only" their spin leaves out obedience and holiness altogether.
This teaching has spilled over from Evangelicals to Pentecostal. They have swallowed it almost to the man. So doom must ALSO be preached wherever Christians or "would be Christians" hang out. Preaching a doomsday message is by no means contained to teaching about the end times.
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It always goes back to one thing -- "do they believe we go through tribulation?" If they do, it gets your seal of approval. No matter if IHOP is trinitarian or charismania, if they teach post trib they're better than oneness churches who don't.
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Not quite. It goes back to ALL THINGS. The Apostolic foundation. Post trib is just a part of it. Case in point. For a few months we attended an Assembly Of God Church that taught post trib.
Altho they had that particular truth he would also ridicule what he called "sinless perfection". That does not go down with me. I love ALL the truth. It did not work out.
Now IHOP is a long way from Ky. It has some really good qualities. They have PERHAPS the best teaching on end times I'm aware of. To me they seem more like New Testament Christians than most Apostolic Churches not because of just that either.
They get a steady dose of sermon on the mount teaching making one more into the image of Christ. They have a LOT of outreach. They have IMO some of the most Heavenly worship this side of Heaven!
So for the good I see IF they baptized into the name of Jesus I would give some thought about a closer realtionship with them. Another reason I would and do have problems with them is altho they DO teach a strong message of discipleship they usually blow it
in the end by always topping it off by saying "its not for salvation just for rewards".
To me this is an outrage. Precious souls wanting to enter the Kingdom being taught practically the same as OSAS. I have lost SOME of my favor toward them. When we first were getting into watching the live meetings a Charismatic minister came there and presented them with
Acts 2:38 full salvation.
I believe two of the high up leaders got on board with it. Very quickly the main leader "squashed" the message. That was very disappointing. So tho I do love IHOP no way could I be a "member". The last time I saw one of the ministers who I think accepted the
Acts 2:38 message he said this from the platform.
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IHOP is not Heaven and Mike Bickle is not God"
At present we have two things going. Re visiting a Oneness Pentecostal group that is pre trib. Did not work out before as it seems to have no vision other than sitting on a Church pew. Pastor seems a kind man.
The other is taking in the streaming audio from the Church Dave Huston founded in Carlisle Pa. He teaches the same things I do foundation wise. I feel better about doing this than going to the Apostolic Church in town.
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Where would you rather go? To trinitarian post trib church or a oneness pretrib church?
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I would PREFER neither. Truth is truth. I love it wherever I hear it. One of my insights is that many Oneness think just believing
Acts 2:38 makes a Church "a" or "the" true Church. I dont think so. Altho they do have very crucial truths Oneness and
Acts 2:38 they have much truth to still inhabit.
So no Mike everything does not stand or fall on post trib alone. Having said that I do believe it is "Apostolic "doctrine" and that teachers who teach otherwise are deceived on that point.
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