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11-29-2014, 01:53 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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I believe in ONE God, and the person of Jesus, the son of God. I believe that the son was "anointed"; and the Father needed no anointing, because He has always been holy.
Tell me, how could the Christ, who needed anointing, be the Father who needed no anointing? If Christ = the anointed one, and he is the Father (who needed no anointing), then who was anointed?
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Was Christ "God"?
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11-29-2014, 06:19 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
If Jesus is NOT the Father, then either Jesus is NOT God OR he is ANOTHER God. I don't see any way around that simple fact.
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11-30-2014, 02:07 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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If Jesus is NOT the Father, then either Jesus is NOT God OR he is ANOTHER God. I don't see any way around that simple fact.
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Depends on what you mean by Jesus.
If by Jesus you mean the person or being that is God then yes Jesus is the Father.
If by Jesus you mean that person or being in the mode of the Son then the Jesus is not the Father.
So I want to give you something to ponder. Jesus both is and isn't the Father.
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11-30-2014, 04:29 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Depends on what you mean by Jesus.
If by Jesus you mean the person or being that is God then yes Jesus is the Father.
If by Jesus you mean that person or being in the mode of the Son then the Jesus is not the Father.
So I want to give you something to ponder. Jesus both is and isn't the Father.
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At the same time but not in the same way 
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-30-2014, 01:31 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Was Christ "God"?
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That is not a "Yes" or "No" answer.
Tell me: if Jesus (the son) is God (who is eternal), then explain why did the Apostle Peter declared: "...let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God has made that same Jesus, whom you have crucified, both Lord and Christ."
Did God ever need to be anointed? Or is He not the ONE who anoints? Was it not rather, "...the man, Christ Jesus..." that had to be anointed? What does Christ Jesus mean, except Jesus the anointed one! Was Jesus God as a man, or because :...God was in Christ, reconciling the world..."?
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11-30-2014, 01:46 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by thephnxman
That is not a "Yes" or "No" answer.
Tell me: if Jesus (the son) is God (who is eternal), then explain why did the Apostle Peter declared: "...let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God has made that same Jesus, whom you have crucified, both Lord and Christ."
Did God ever need to be anointed? Or is He not the ONE who anoints? Was it not rather, "...the man, Christ Jesus..." that had to be anointed? What does Christ Jesus mean, except Jesus the anointed one! Was Jesus God as a man, or because :...God was in Christ, reconciling the world..."?
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The HUMANITY was anointed like Adam was intended to remain. Jesus is last Adam.
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11-30-2014, 01:47 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Was Christ "God"?
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That is not a "Yes" or "No" answer.
Tell me: if Jesus (the son) is God (who is eternal), then explain why did the Apostle Peter declared: "...let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God has made that same Jesus, whom you have crucified, both Lord and Christ."
Did God ever need to be anointed? Or is He not the ONE who anoints? Was it not rather, "...the man, Christ Jesus..." that had to be anointed? What does Christ Jesus mean, except Jesus the anointed one! Was Jesus God (as a man), or because :...God was in Christ, reconciling the world..."?
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11-30-2014, 04:06 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by thephnxman
That is not a "Yes" or "No" answer.
Tell me: if Jesus (the son) is God (who is eternal), then explain why did the Apostle Peter declared: "...let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God has made that same Jesus, whom you have crucified, both Lord and Christ."
Did God ever need to be anointed? Or is He not the ONE who anoints? Was it not rather, "...the man, Christ Jesus..." that had to be anointed? What does Christ Jesus mean, except Jesus the anointed one! Was Jesus God as a man, or because :...God was in Christ, reconciling the world..."?
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Jesus, the Son was God. Yes. But He was also Human
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-30-2014, 05:23 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Jesus, the Son was God. Yes. But He was also Human
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If the Son was God the Son was the Father. With minimal explanation Im fine with that.
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11-30-2014, 05:25 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Esaias
If Jesus is NOT the Father, then either Jesus is NOT God OR he is ANOTHER God. I don't see any way around that simple fact.
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Now THIS makes Biblical sense. This is Oneness teaching. This is why Trins are guilty of multiplying Gods.
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