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Old 12-16-2014, 06:37 PM
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Your Interpretation Please

8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Heb. 1:8

How does Oneness understand this?
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Old 12-16-2014, 07:00 PM
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Re: Your Interpretation Please

Yes I have one but I wonder if there might be something better. Let the comments come!
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Old 12-16-2014, 08:45 PM
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Re: Your Interpretation Please

This is referencing Psalms 45:6-7.

Here the word "God" is elohim. Elohim can refer to the singular God of heaven, the gods of teh gentiles or even to judges. In this case it is referring to Jesus Christ who is both the God of heaven and the judge of mankind. He, the messiah, is to inherit the throne of David; thus, He is called "elohim" in the same sense that Moses was said to be made an elohim.

In other words it expresses the thought:
To the Son He said "thy throne oh ruler is forever"...

IMO the sceptre is referencing the mercy that is dispensed at His hand. He has given righteousness through His sacrifice.

Verse 7 in Psalms states:
(Psa 45:7 KJV) Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.


Jesus Christ loves righteousness therefore ruler (God), thy God (the King of kings. the one true God) has anointed Christ.
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8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Heb. 1:8

How does Oneness understand this?
The Son is God. This is a prophecy of His future reign and eternal kingdom
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Old 12-16-2014, 09:48 PM
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Re: Your Interpretation Please

The problem is that we think in human terms
for us it is difficult to understand how Jesus could be the Son and yet also be God at the same time, because we are limited to location and time.
It is a Paradox, but not an impossibility.

Jesus was the Servant of God, while at the same time being a King.
Jesus can be outside of Time as Father and yet be inside of Time as Son
Jesus can be confined to one location or place as son, but as Father he is Omnipresent.
Jesus is in one location (heaven), while being all over the world.

God is an absolute one, yet because he is everpresent and everywhere he is also a multiplicity.
We simply can not understand our paradoxical God because the human mind does not have the capacity to understand him.
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8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Heb. 1:8

How does Oneness understand this?
Not easily.

The human nature interacting with the divine nature explanation doesn't work here. I'm not sure how oneness can explain that verse. However, that it seems so very hard to explain it tells me something is missing in typical oneness doctrine, because if a passage is difficult it is only difficult because something we believe is amiss.
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The Son is God. This is a prophecy of His future reign and eternal kingdom
Yes.
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Amen
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8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Heb. 1:8

How does Oneness understand this?
Not sure how oneness understands this verse...or that there is a consensus. But for what it's worth, here is my opinion.

To me; we do serious injustice to scripture here, in setting apart the eighth verse alone for scrutiny. Only because the first chapter of Hebrews is such an all-inclusive revelation. It's brief 14 verses revolve entirely around God, and his only begotten son. Better then to view verse eight alongside the facts, so beautifully laid out for us throughout this short chapter.

God has spoken to us by his son in these last days.
God has appointed his son heir of all things.
God made the worlds by his son.
God's son is the brightness of his glory.
God's son is the express image of his person.
God's son upholds all things by the word of his power.
God's son, by himself, purged our sins.
God's son sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.
God's son, by inheritance, has obtained a more excellent name than angels.
1200 years earlier, God said of his son, "Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee.
God said of his son, I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son.
God instructed all of his angels to worship his son.
God has anointed his son with the oil of gladness above his fellows.
God told his son to sit at his right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

If we're trying to prove that Jesus is God from verse eight; that's a whole lot of two natures interacting within one person in the rest of the chapter. So I'm kinda leanin' towards Pliny's response, concerning word definitions. How 'bout you?
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