Overbearing pastors

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I apologize if the post offended you. What about it did you find to be in error?

I meant you guys are apparently both in florida, you are both looking for something beyond the status-quo. So you two should get together and have church, might be a new start for both of you. Did not mean anything negative, brother.

As for your original post, I really didn't see anything disagreeable with it.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I meant you guys are apparently both in florida, you are both looking for something beyond the status-quo. So you two should get together and have church, might be a new start for both of you. Did not mean anything negative, brother.

As for your original post, I really didn't see anything disagreeable with it.

Not in Florida yet. Hoping that will happen.

[jediwill83]

stufffundieslike.com has alot of accounts of mindsets like this. Pentecostals dont hold a patent on "harsh preaching" . Its a issue with how power and control can corrupt...its an age old story and it crops up no matter the denomination.

[Esphes45]

Sounds like the church I used to belong to.

[DaveC519]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

I pray for my pastor that the Lord will keep him humble and faith-filled.

I think every pastor could benefit from more saints praying this prayer.

[Aquila]

Sadly, in too many cases "church" has become a mutual admiration society bent on furthering the survival of the organization (including careers) than the cause of Christ.

But this isn't a new problem. We saw thousands of years of the same from the RRC.

[KeptByTheWord]

When men left off from truly understanding, and following these words of Jesus, they became exactly what Jesus predicted they would:

Mark 10:42-45
But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: And whosoever of you will be the chiefest shall be servant of all. For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

[shazeep]

amen--i think it is an accurate predictor of our collective state of mind how people hear a "calling."

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by shazeep

amen--i think it is an accurate predictor of our collective state of mind how people hear a "calling."

If men were truly called into the ministry as Jesus described it - having a servant mind and heart - there is no doubt in my mind that the numbers of those signing up to be "ministers" would sharply decline. The problem is, the "perks" that are now common in all church groups for those in leadership prevent (for the most part, but not all) true servant ministering leadership. We see people with very little faith in the ministry, because they are not trusting the Lord, but are busy building their little kingdoms with all the perks that go with it.

If we truly want to follow the example of Jesus and his disciples, and the leadership in the NT churches, let us look at their lives and see what servant leadership meant to them. For most of them, the end result meant death - death first to self, and then death at the hands of men.

Can you imagine any bible school today advertising - come to our school so we can train you in death to self, and how to dare to be martyr?

Hmm.