Why I am Now Convinced of a Pre-Trib Rapture

[Sean]

If I may butt in bro.....



40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Brother may I ask you to point out the pre-trib rapture in Matthew 24?

There is no pre-trib rapture in Matthew 24. Matthew 24 simply states that this would be Jesus's second coming which is not the actual rapture. This passage is dealing specifically with Israel and not the church. Notice that at the beginning Jesus foretold the destruction of the temple which took place under Titus in 70 AD (this was the result of the Jews rejecting Christ as the messiah). All of these prophecies from Jesus were to the Jews and the church was not present in any of these prophecies. I found some information which confirms all of this and will share more in depth tomorrow. For now this is the short version for your answer.

Just so you know my friend, I didn't come up with my opinion without much study and research and did not take any of this lightly. I might be inclined to write a book about this subject (I've never written a book before, lol) and I will probably use alot of resources for references. This topic is interesting, I was always taught about a pre-trib rapture and didn't know that there was such a thing as mid/post trib until I was in my early twenties.

AFF has been a good reason for me to study this topic out for myself (which is why I really appreciate this site). There are a lot of views on differing topics, some of which has changed my mind about certain things.

As stated in the first post, a pre-trib rapture is not a new thing and I would like to clear many of these things up. Someone told me (an old time Pentecostal preacher) that the oneness and early Pentecostals taught pre-trib rapture until a trinitarian convert brought in the post-trib topic. Although I do not know whether this is a fact, this is something else I will be looking into. God bless you my brother.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Sean

If I may butt in bro.....



40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Sean, thank you for your support; however, I would like to add that these passages (in my opinion) have nothing to do with the church or the rapture, I will show more tomorrow.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Sean, thank you for your support; however, I would like to add that these passages (in my opinion) have nothing to do with the church or the rapture, I will show more tomorrow.

Good point, brother. Can't be rapture Becuase ones taken in Noah's day were sinners taken in death. JESUS compared the coming flood to his coming. And if the flood took sinners in destruction, then his coming takes sinners in destruction too. That's the only way the words contextually make sense.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

If that's the case I am waiting for him to refute the first two pages of this thread point by point.

I can, and I will do it nicely. You're a good man, brother. But not here ... In eschatology section as time permits.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I can, and I will do it nicely. You're a good man, brother. But not here ... In eschatology section as time permits.

Thank you Mike, you are an inspiration. When I said I might write a book about this subject it was because of you. Thanks again for your candor.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

If that's the case I am waiting for him to refute the first two pages of this thread point by point.

Sorry, but I have a life.

Brother Eastman have you ever read Brother Blume's writings on eschatology?

If you have, since you have been a member on this forum since February of 2007, and by next month (assuming you will still be here) you would have logged on for 9 years. In that nine years you would of been able to read the entire eschatology section of this forum. You would of been able to read my material, Brother Blume's material, Brother T. K. Burk's material as well as others, Non-Dispensational Post Tribs, Partial Preterists , and Full, all who have not only hit the points of your posted article, but have even gone into further details concerning eschatology.

Yet, as I always say, even if Jesus preached and David played his harp, they still wouldn't believe.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Thank you Mike, you are an inspiration. When I said I might write a book about this subject it was because of you. Thanks again for your candor.

There you go Brother Eastman, Brother Blume will be able to help you out immensely concerning eschatology.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

Bowas, we have been through this and I enjoy talking to you about this subject immensely. I would love to answer you, but the psycho evangelist is back to mock and ridicule his way though these projects of ours. I will refrain from discussing preterism until he leaves again and I see the coast is clear....LOL.(His stupid comments and mocking pictures make my old man want to come off the cross)......be patient bro., he will disappear again.

I see it doesn't take a lot for you to backslide.

Sean, anyone can go to the eschatology section of this forum and watch your foolishness in action to see why this evangelist mocks your every step.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I can, and I will do it nicely. You're a good man, brother. But not here ... In eschatology section as time permits.

Brother, you have refuted Dispensationalism Futurist Rapture teaching for almost 9 years and have done a good job. Nine years of refutation of futurism is a long time my brother.

Brother Easteman, I hope you take the time to study with Brother Blume.