Why I am Now Convinced of a Pre-Trib Rapture

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Is this perfectedness or maturity received or obtained through consecration and faith? Or a process of development? Or both?

I believe both.

We grow through the leading of the power of the Holy Ghost who trains up a child in the way they should go. We submit ourselves to the mighty hand of God an He leads us to still waters.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Brother Benincasa, are you coming to Dallas area any time soon? lol

Last time I was traveling through Dallas I was on my way to Jasper Texas to preach.

It was raining and I was behind a man who had a ladder on his car. Well, the ladder fell off and I ran it over. When I did this my right driver side tire blew out. I pulled to the side of the road, and my wife and my daughter who was 2 years old at the time was sleeping on the back seat. I got out of the car to change the flat during rush hour in the rain, and my wife got out to hold an umbrella over me. It was too dangerous (because of the cars coming so close) I told her to go back with the baby. She said she wouldn't leave me and she could hear the baby if the child made a stir. I got the new tire on, and when I did my wife walked back and got into the car because I was finished. At that moment a truck smacked me in the back with its side mirror. It hurt pretty bad, I thought my back was sliced open. But I had to be in Jasper on time. So back behind the wheel, my wife asking me if I was alright and I headed towards Jasper. When I got there I didn't have time to clean up, but the pastor called me up and I apologized for the way I looked, and he didn't care, and told me to preach. I preached the spirits of just men made perfect in greasy denim, and a greasy plaid shirt.

[shag]

ouch! That sure had to hurt!







Shaun, you ever fix the mirror on the side of your truck?

Just Kidding!
Forgive me fellas, I just couldn't pass it up.
laugh it off




"On the way to "Jasper", pressing into the Kingdom"

[Sean]

LOL

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Sean View Post
Mike,Do you agree with this...

Revelation 20:11 Commentary: The Destruction of Heaven and Earth . . .

Verse 11 says that the “[e]arth and sky fled from his [God’s] presence, and there was no place for them.” This verse depicts the destruction of heaven and earth. This incidence of the destruction of heaven and earth is not likely to be the same one mentioned in Revelation 6:12-14 during the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 as many preterists often suppose[xxii] since vs. 1-7 mention a thousand year period after the binding of Satan in v. 2. As stated above, Satan is bound during the aftermath of the Jewish war with Rome and released one thousand years later according to v. 7. Therefore, this incidence of the destruction of heaven and earth seems to have occurred one thousand year after the binding of Satan around the time of the Jewish War.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...83829542,d.cGU




Mike, do you agree with this.

I gotta know.

Just a yes or no.

Is the passage in Rev. 20 "really" speaking of the Jews and temple passing away?

Like this...

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth(Jews) and the heaven(temple) fled away; and there was found no place for them.(Jews and temple)

Please tell me yes or no if you view it this way.





Mike, this is the most important thing I have heard about preterism in 2 years.

I know there are different levels of preterism, but is this(statement above) correct?

Is verse 11 about the Jews and Temple?

Mike, this question is for you alone, nobody else.

[Sean]

This post is for anyone that would like to see how big the New Jerusalem actually is and how many folks it can hold!!!!...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...84116906,d.eXY



By all means read and enjoy. Be of good cheer, it is big enough for everyone!!!

[ApostolicKitty]

Originally Posted by Sean

Fellow saint..... Michael and I had a little debate on this following thread....http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=46703

You are more than welcome to review our arguments there. They cover the passage above to answer your question.

Michael believes post trib(to follow your passage's assumption and I believe pre/mid(pre or possibly mid trib.)


It will give you both points of view and may answer some questions you may have.

Sorry about this thread getting so far off course. I stuck my finger in a preterist hornets nest. I only known of about 7 or 8 of them in 35 years(out of about 10,000 or so aquaintances in my life), but they all congregate here...LOL

(Do notice, there is one of me and a bunch of them. I show them a simple truth, then they ask me pages of questions to avoid the easy to understand passage I present. It is their method of bait and switch.) All you must do is find passages that embarrass them in public and the bait and switch starts immediately, or they ask a question to answer your question....LOL

Sean,

Initially, I wasn't really going to bother with reading any of that thread. My post was mostly to point out how the person who wrote that blog/article/whatever completely ignored scripture that he was quoting, which, to me, only serves to discredit him... but I decided why not since two you encouraged me and I have some time on my hands.

First, I am going to say that Michael explained what I believe about the coming post-trib rapture better than I could have and even shared a couple of things I hadn't noticed before, which only serves to solidify my belief in it. I didn't come by the belief through any man's teaching. I came by it through simply studying the Bible with my husband.

Keep in mind that I have only gotten as far as Post 52.... but in Post 49 you said, “There is no passage that gives the saints a hiding place from the Antichrist”

Really? Does there have to be? Has it not been proven time and time again in the Bible that He was an all-powerful God who was well-able to keep His people from all harm. Has God changed? Are we so faithless that we think He can’t do it again? Is He no longer enough?

Yet we also know that while God is able, He doesn’t always protect His people from antichrists. They have been martyring his church for years, from Stephen to those who are currently being killed in this world for refusing to deny the name of Jesus.

However, His wrath is not for His own. Even you cited the scripture that shows that God has not appointed us to wrath. His wrath is for those who have rejected Him. When it is poured out, God’s people will be safe from it, just as it was in the cases (which you even cited) of Noah, Lot, and the children of Israel when they were in Egypt.

Preterism is a whole 'nother discussion... and one I won't delve into as I don't believe in it whatsoever. Not really sure why you mentioned it, but maybe I will as I read more.

BTW, that bright red font hurts my eyes!

[Sean]

Thanks for reading Kitty. You can make your decisions freely and I am fine with it. I only pointed out the "opposing" point of view so you could get a full perspective of the conversation.

Some folks have never heard the opposing point of view, so I believe in open minded opposite opinions meeting together and sharing their points of view.(even if no agreement happens).

I was indoctrinated as pre trib, so I have a curious nature to see what others' ideas are.

Sorry about the red words. I debate alot and folks complained in the beginning about who is who in the arguments. That was my quick fix and it helps me in the discussion.

[mfblume]

I believe, like I've said many times, that the great white throne judgment is future. But the city is here now and it's growing. Revelation 21-22 shows it's completion after judgment with no more saved like they're being saved now. But it's still the church and not an actual city.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Sean

Originally Posted by Sean View Post
Mike,Do you agree with this...

Revelation 20:11 Commentary: The Destruction of Heaven and Earth . . .

Verse 11 says that the “[e]arth and sky fled from his [God’s] presence, and there was no place for them.” This verse depicts the destruction of heaven and earth. This incidence of the destruction of heaven and earth is not likely to be the same one mentioned in Revelation 6:12-14 during the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 as many preterists often suppose[xxii] since vs. 1-7 mention a thousand year period after the binding of Satan in v. 2. As stated above, Satan is bound during the aftermath of the Jewish war with Rome and released one thousand years later according to v. 7. Therefore, this incidence of the destruction of heaven and earth seems to have occurred one thousand year after the binding of Satan around the time of the Jewish War.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...83829542,d.cGU




Mike, do you agree with this.

I gotta know.

Just a yes or no.

Is the passage in Rev. 20 "really" speaking of the Jews and temple passing away?

Like this...

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth(Jews) and the heaven(temple) fled away; and there was found no place for them.(Jews and temple)

Please tell me yes or no if you view it this way.





Mike, this is the most important thing I have heard about preterism in 2 years.

I know there are different levels of preterism, but is this(statement above) correct?

Is verse 11 about the Jews and Temple?

Mike, this question is for you alone, nobody else.

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