Why I am Now Convinced of a Pre-Trib Rapture

[Sean]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

Enoch was taken by the Lord;
Noah was saved through the ark, while still in the earth;
Lot was taken from the city, while still in the earth;
The Israelites were separated from the curses in Egypt, in the Land of Nod;
The Church will be given a place in the wilderness, while on earth;
these were all saved from God's tribulation;
however, that was not the the coming of the Lord.

True, the lord can hide the millions of saved anywhere!

A force field of some type was suggested for the individual saints against this terrible event on the entire earth....



Revelation 16 King James Version (KJV)

16 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.

5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.

6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.

8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.



The saints(men, women and children) will wait, trying not to sleep spiritually, and let the oil run out of their lamps as the Lord burns the flesh off of mankind.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

True, the lord can hide the millions of saved anywhere!

A force field of some type was suggested for the individual saints against this terrible event on the entire earth....



Revelation 16 King James Version (KJV)

16 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.

5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.

6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.

8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.



The saints(men, women and children) will wait, trying not to sleep spiritually, and let the oil run out of their lamps as the Lord burns the flesh off of mankind.

People will be sent strong delusion that they should believe a lie and be damned because they loved not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. Thus any fulfillment of prophecy will not penetrate their delusional minds.

[Abiding Now]

Question?
Does a person have to understand future events of prophecy to be saved?
J/W

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Question?
Does a person have to understand future events of prophecy to be saved?
J/W

A person only needs to hear the gospel that saves, believe it, and obey it. That's it. One
might believe and not obey, and that would count as non-belief: "He that believes not
is condemned."

[ApostolicKitty]

Originally Posted by Sean

Did you check out the debate between me and Michael?
No!
Find the grammatical errors and post them!
The subject here is PRE-TRIB rapture.
There was a debate on it, but I dont see some of you discussing that debate.

It seems you guys are more interested in keeping your "beliefs" than investigating what the 2 sides are trying to bring out.

I looked at it... and, yes, I found some errors in your writing. I don't find need or desire to go back, find them, and nitpick you to death. I think you are getting enough of that here, but I will say that your posts are not very well-organized and are sometimes a bit difficult to read. I don't find your "debate" to be very well done, partially because of how messy the posts are altogether and partially because the ideas you present are not well-strug together.

I also agree with Bowas about how important words are. They make a huge difference, as well as punctuation marks. One word out of place or missing in a legal document makes a huge difference in what you are trying to ask the court to do, how you are making a contract read, or even in how the law that applies to your situation reads. It's the same with the Bible.

That all aside, I appreciate your kind, caring spirit and attempts to help others here. Even though I think you are wrong in what you are trying to help others see, and think your debating style needs polishing, I won't sit here and mock you the way I see some others do. I don't like it. It's the one thing I find on forums and facebook that I detest most. Attack an argument -- not a person.

Anyway, you, at one point in your posts, admitted that you were "indoctrinated" with the pre-trib rapture teaching. Have you considered putting that aside, starting from the beginning with a clean slate, and studying out the issue without the study notes from others -- just you and your Bible? You mind find a new interesting perspective.

[ApostolicKitty]

Originally Posted by Sean

Sorry if I dont spell "KAT" right professor....LOL

It's Kitty -- not Kat.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Question?
Does a person have to understand future events of prophecy to be saved?
J/W

No!

[ApostolicKitty]

Originally Posted by Sean

A force field of some type was suggested for the individual saints against this terrible event on the entire earth....

Bro, God is not some space alien protecting the mothership. I've seen you mention this before. I like a little science fiction sometimes myself, but God only needs to speak and it's done. No force field necessary.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by ApostolicKitty

I looked at it... and, yes, I found some errors in your writing. I don't find need or desire to go back, find them, and nitpick you to death. I think you are getting enough of that here, but I will say that your posts are not very well-organized and are sometimes a bit difficult to read. I don't find your "debate" to be very well done, partially because of how messy the posts are altogether and partially because the ideas you present are not well-strug together.

I also agree with Bowas about how important words are. They make a huge difference, as well as punctuation marks. One word out of place or missing in a legal document makes a huge difference in what you are trying to ask the court to do, how you are making a contract read, or even in how the law that applies to your situation reads. It's the same with the Bible.

That all aside, I appreciate your kind, caring spirit and attempts to help others here. Even though I think you are wrong in what you are trying to help others see, and think your debating style needs polishing, I won't sit here and mock you the way I see some others do. I don't like it. It's the one thing I find on forums and facebook that I detest most. Attack an argument -- not a person.

Anyway, you, at one point in your posts, admitted that you were "indoctrinated" with the pre-trib rapture teaching. Have you considered putting that aside, starting from the beginning with a clean slate, and studying out the issue without the study notes from others -- just you and your Bible? You mind find a new interesting perspective.

Miss Kitty, I want to thank you for going over that thread and reviewing the posts. I tip my hat to you.

[ApostolicKitty]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Miss Kitty, I want to thank you for going over that thread and reviewing the posts. I tip my hat to you.

That's Mrs. Kitty.. but thanks.