We Gentiles are running out of time - Page 2

Sean · #11 02-11-2015, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

ok, and i doubt that God cares about a temporal, national Israel. He has wiped them out a couple times Himself!

I wouldnt say that.....28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

Man assaulted Gods' beloved(Israel), just like they assaulted the saints over the last 2000 years....

Sean · #12 02-11-2015, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

No. If you consider the Zionist movement that was in play, there was already political efforts towards establishing a Jewish state in Palestine. Then we see a massive effort by both Nazi Germany to eradicate the Jews. After WWII, with so many displaced Jews... and a fledgling Zionist state... the United Nations voted to partition Palestine and firmly establish a Jewish state. Thus, in a single vote... a nation was born in a day.

I believe that the Holocaust was much like the Slaughter of the Innocents. It was Satan's efforts to destroy the Jewish people before the Jewish state could be firmly established. Satan knows the prophecies. The prophecies include a Jewish state of Israel. Had Satan successfully eradicated enough of the Jewish people... Israel wouldn't exist as it does today. And the prophecies would have been thwarted... at least for several generations.

There is a war between God and Satan... and God's covenant people, Israel, are at the center of it all.

Brother Aquila, you have a clear picture of what is going on, both in prophecy and subsequent world events regarding the birth of Israel.
This is the absolute BIGGEST sign we have preceding the "catching" away of the bride, the great tribulation and the 2nd coming of Christ to start His physical kingdom(1000 year Millennial reign).

Without the rebirth of Israel in 1948, we have NO chance of even half of these prophecies to be fulfilled.

shazeep · #13 02-11-2015, 02:54 PM

well, this equates a temporal state of Israel with the fig tree budding, which cannot be inarguably connected, imo...
and, wadr, i am detecting some Mutual Admiration here. So, this contentious, warlike, apartheid Zion is what God--Whom it may be strongly argued only cares for the Spirit--had in mind?

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

It appears that God likes defending them, coming to their aid, etc. Was it the 6 day war when angels came down and just their appearance caused the Egyptians to abandon their tanks on the battlefield?

Or is this another story that I've always heard and have taken for granted that it is the truth?

ha well i heard that one, too--seems pretty miraculous to me! But of course another valid reflection is that Egyptians could not fight their way out of a paper box; and Israel was basically a vassal of the US at that point, with all the latest tech, etc. Dunno.

mfblume · #14 02-11-2015, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

...triggering that 70th week.

Brother, you really need to study to see how a gap could occur before the 70th week after the 69th. It's not in scripture.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...&postcount=262

That 70th week delay idea is really the most embarrassing thing about futurism I think exists. Seriously. The cross of Jesus fits perfectly and is backed up with scripture.

Michael The Disciple · #15 02-12-2015, 06:14 AM

The times of the Gentiles is not the same as the fulness of the Gentiles.

The times of the Gentiles is approximately 1290 days.

Dan 12:5-13

5Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river. 6And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? 7And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. 8And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. 11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. 13But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

The Gentiles will trample Gods people for a TIME, TIMES, AND A HALF. Verse 7. IMHO this is the TIMES of the Gentiles.

Sean · #16 02-12-2015, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
(Did you know the context of the previous verse 29 is contextually speaking about national Israel?)

I must disagree with you Michael. This just simply indicates the "times of the gentiles" as we see historically, taking 2000 years.(so far)

Carefully observe Ephesians, Romans and Luke above....

Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled(completed).(this implies the "times of the Gentiles"..AKA..."trodding down of Jerusalem"... were to happen/begin at that time of the first century. The passage explains itself)

Sean · #17 02-12-2015, 08:00 AM

A case in point is the Law had to be active to be fulfilled by Jesus.(for instance)

Bowas · #18 02-12-2015, 08:21 AM

Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Perhaps this.

Jerusalem was occupied/troddened down by the Romans/Gentiles at that time, and at that time they killed the Jews and dispersed them to all nations at the end of that time, and that time was completed in the final 42 months of the gentiles surrounding Jerusalem and destroying the temple, when that time or the times pf the gentiles to accomplish this was in fact completed.

The times of the Gentiles was fulfilled when they finished the attack and killled so many Jews and led the others throughout the world.

This is one perspective.

Sean · #19 02-12-2015, 08:24 AM

Wwwhhhhhhaaaatttt?

Lol

Sean · #20 02-12-2015, 08:28 AM

Just playin' Bowas,

I was actually correlating the 3 verses...

Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Just observing the phrases..."fullness"/"fulfilled"/"times"...etc

I think it all implies the same thing.