Why I Am A Futurist

[Sean]

Originally Posted by shazeep

well, it might if the fruit of the tree was "Rebound," yes?

Rebound?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

I don't doubt that men have a more rational explanation.

But please note that God did not breathe [a spirit] into Adam's body of dust, but
life! For he [Adam] was already a created spirit-being: "...in the image of God
created He them."

"Seek and you shall find."

hmm, ok, we might be splitting hairs now--i'll hafta read the passage tonight before i reply here. Food for thought, tho.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Sean

Rebound?

well, you might prefer the Catholic "repentance." i don't do "penance," and prefer the more accurate--to me--concept of rebound, a 180 degree change of direction after confession.

[Sean]

They could not repent, lest God be found a liar...

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die


Man was now "oficially" evil, and lost his innocence from sin.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

ah, very good point there. another book, lol.

That's actually in my book.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Well, how do you reconcile knowledge of good and evil with free will? How can Adam have "sinned," if he lacked this knowledge? I'll have to look up the first occurrence of "Adam sinned," that will be interesting, prolly. I know God says "he has become a god." This is a fall?

What is "On the day you eat of it, you will surely die" to someone who does not know death? What is "die" to him? It is a meaningless concept, until it is experienced.

Again, I think, it refers to the same thing Paul fought all his ministry. Self advancing self, making himself god by not needing God. It was knowledge of everything that's good to know what to do, and everything that's evil to know what not to do. That way, it replaces God. Walking after the flesh is making oneself improve through independence. Walking after the Spirit is God's life living through us.

Knoweldge of good and evil is very religious sounding. And it's in all our blood now. How many people instinctively feel they're not good enough, and need to work on that before they can come to God?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

ya, good Q; books are written on the subject. We are told Change your mind, so i'll go with "mind;" incidentally, the part that can be observed to change the behavior of photons. We are "beings of light!" hmm.

I think it's rather simple. The body is the issue. And the only thing not made new in our beings is our bodies. Our spirits were made new at new birth. The only thing made new, by the way. And our souls are being renewed now. And our bodies shall be made new.

It goes along with 2 Cor 5.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Sean

Yes, because of the Tree of Life.
It just stands to reason.....
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

?????

Are you intimating that Adam and Eve ate of the Tree of Life BEFORE they ate
of the forbidden tree?

Where'd you get them apples?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

?????

Are you intimating that Adam and Eve ate of the Tree of Life BEFORE they ate
of the forbidden tree?

Where'd you get them apples?

Amen. There is no indication they ate the fruit of life at all.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

That's actually in my book.

well, see how both are true--fallen, and like gods now.