Shazeep, you got some idea that when a person states an entire set of adherents to a religion is lost then that person is somehow self-righteous. This shows you really do not understand the concept of self-righteousness and salvation by the cross. The bible clearly stated that no one can come to God except by Christ and that by the works of the cross in His death and resurrection. That means that muslims who
do not believe Jesus died and resurrected to be seated on the throne of God above EVERY SINGLE NAME that will eve be named in this age and the age to come, and who do not believe the application of Christ's death to those baptized into it alone are saved, are lost. For some reason you equate that with not having love.
And when challenged about what the verses we stand upon to make that claim actually say, you cannot respond, but retort they surely don't say what we claim they say.
All I did was make a statement based upon what Jesus said of being saved, and you claim I am self-righteous. Meanwhile I respond saying I can do no good deed to be righteous, and so am far from self-righteousness.
Paul said...
Php 3:8-9 KJV Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, (9) And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
You claim righteousness comes by OUR GOOD DEEDS, and by being NICE so as to NOT SAY Muslims are lost. Just by that statement MUSLIMS ARE LOST, you claim I have no love. The truth is, it is GREAT LOVE to take the time to show a muslim they need to follow Jesus ALONE, lest their souls be lost. But while you clam the bible does not say what I allegedly INTERPRET it to say, you have NO ANSWER when asked to PROVE the Koran says the same thing as Jesus when Jesus said no man comes to the Father but by Him. You just say, whatever the truth is it cannot be what BLUME SAID. You can't tell us what IT DOES SAY.
And you keep implying I can know far more bible than you but because I said MUSLIMS ARE LOST I have no love, so I make nothing out of all my discussion of what the bible says. And it is all because you have an incorrect concept of how saying Muslims are lost means I do not have love. Meanwhile, the bible stated lack of looking ONLY to Jesus and his work on the cross means a person is lost. So I merely repeated what the bible said.
Walks said that Christianity failed, so God raised up the worst of all people to be His people and messengers of truth. the only way God could raise up Moslems and use them instead of the church is for the church to never have been built by Jesus on the rock and to have fallen as a result, which is ridiculous because IT IS HIS BUILDING AND NOT OUR OWN (and this falls in line with HIS DEEDS and NOT OURS, ALSO), and if the MULSIMS are teaching the things Paul taught.
Are they teaching like Paul?
1Co 1:23 KJV But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
Gal 2:20 KJV I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
1Co 2:2 KJV For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
Do the muslims herald the work of the cross FAR AND ABOVE EVERYTHING ELSE one can ever know?
Do these signs follow muslims?
Mar 16:16-18 KJV He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (17) And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; (18) They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
John said the gospel THEY PREACHED about hte death, burial and resurrection
1Jn 4:6 KJV We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
Do muslims teach what the apostles taught?
Act 4:10-12 KJV Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. (11) This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. (12) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Do they believe God raised Jesus from the dead?
Do they believe NO OTHER NAME EVER will allow on e to be saved? DO they preach the name of Jesus alone saves and that the name of Jesus is far above every name that will ever be named?
Php 2:8-11 KJV And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. (9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: (10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; (11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Have muslims bowed their knees to Jesus confessing He alone is Lord?
Or are these merely a precsription to follow?
If God raised up Muslims then why do they not preach what he apostles preached? If the church failed, it failed in preaching what the apostles preached, and the muslims picked up the apostles' message and preached it and preach it now. Are they preaching what I quoted above?
Oh, but it's not love to say that,even though the bible distinctly gave us words by which we can KNOW if someone is of God or not.
1Jn 4:6 KJV We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
I'd like to hear Walks in Islam and YOU preach those words I just quoted. Or is that not love to do that?
Your entire basis of saying what is love or not is upon a faulty concept that stating a group is lost cannot be speaking from love. And it's wrong as can be. But you won't take those words I quoted and show me where the Koran teaches the same, although you will claim it does. All talk.
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