What's with all the new Bible versions? - Page 76

Esaias · #**751** 07-09-2015, 01:01 AM

Also, I know of no text which was developed by simply following the majority reading in every case??? The NIV and NASB and the KJV all choose here and there which reading to follow. They choose from among competing manuscripts and older texts to develop their "text" which is then translated into the "version".

Am I making sense?

Esaias · #**752** 07-09-2015, 01:03 AM

Daniel 3:25, which is correct: son of God, or a son of the gods?
Which one, and why?

Esaias · #**753** 07-09-2015, 01:06 AM

2 Sam 21:19 - who did Elhanan kill, Goliath, or Goliath's brother?
Which one is correct?

Scott Pitta · #**754** 07-09-2015, 02:17 AM

No two Greek NT manuscripts are identical. Determining the most likely original reading is the focus of textual critics. I am not a textual critic.

This awareness does not rattle my faith. My faith is in God, not in a perfectly transmitted book.

I do not have a preferred manuscript tradition. I am not sure that the text types are as distinct as some rhetoric suggests.

Evang.Benincasa · #**755** 07-09-2015, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

I am not talking about spellings, nor translations.

If every manuscript differs in its WORDS, and often in their meanings, then which is the INSPIRED text?

If the Word of God is inerrant, but every copy in existence has errors, then...???

That's a whole lot of manuscripts, we are talking close to 6,000. Yet, we have been working on these documents for 2,000 years, and during the time we are living in we have the best research to come forward to prove the reliability of the copies.

Esaias, which manuscripts are you talking you about?

Which manuscripts differ in words in EVERY single manuscript?

Evang.Benincasa · #**756** 07-09-2015, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Daniel 3:25, which is correct: son of God, or a son of the gods?
Which one, and why?

That is the trickiness of Aramaic, Syrian language. Like instead of a camel through the eye of the needle, a rope through the eye of the needle.

Yet, the LXX which was read close to 300 years before the birth of Christ says Son of God.

Gotta love them Greeks!

Again thank you for directing me to the Alexandrinus Codex.

Evang.Benincasa · #**757** 07-09-2015, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

2 Sam 21:19 - who did Elhanan kill, Goliath, or Goliath's brother?
Which one is correct?

Read 1st Chronicles 20:5 for the answer, hence the reason we have a library to pull our research. The ancient Hebrews didn't only have the books, which we have in the our Bibles, stories, histories, and genealogical records to fill them in on who killed who, and who married who . Also the amount of memorization which was put to music was to enable the people to memorize all their history. Another thing, we are thousands of years at the other end of the spectrum. They were closer to the events, therefore they knew who killed who, and didn't see 2nd Samuel conflicting with 1st Chronicles. We know who killed who, because we have another book in the Hebrew library to tell us who killed who. We also have a headless Goliath beheaded by a shepherd boy, many events taking place, and when we read the Bible we place the entire library in its context

Scott Pitta · #**758** 07-09-2015, 07:49 AM

Textual criticism is tricky.

The TR text and a text made up of a majority of readings would produce different texts.

I have read about 25 books by textual critics about the text of the NT. So this is not new information to me.

The time I spend actually translating is more beneficial that time spent studying textual criticism. Since I translate from papyri 46, I do not worry about it's textual history.

ApostolicKitty · #**759** 07-09-2015, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword

The word of God is inerrant, that is what counts, that a copy has a mistake it is irrelevant, it is a copy.
the Mona Lisa is copied hundredths of times every year by art students, yet there is only one original Mona Lisa.
if a copy of the Mona Lisa has mistakes do we then castigate the original Mona Lisa?

I know that there are thousands of copying mistakes in the almost 6,000 Greek manuscripts, does it bother me or do I get paranoid? not in the least.

The solution is very simply the mistakes get sorted out when doing the comparisons. if one MSS has a mistake in a certain place, no problem there are over a thousand other MSS which do not have that mistake, there problem solved.

I study different versions in English and Spanish, does it bother me when a one of those translations has an obvious mistake? not at all, that is why I use all the other versions to see that it was a mistake.

There is safety in a multitude of counselors.
There is safety in a multitude of Bible versions.

Bro, I don't think comparing Bible translations to the Mona Lisa is a very good comparison. God's Word is sacred whereas the Mona Lisa is just a painting. JMO

Godsdrummer · #**760** 07-09-2015, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ApostolicKitty

Bro, I don't think comparing Bible translations to the Mona Lisa is a very good comparison. God's Word is sacred whereas the Mona Lisa is just a painting. JMO

I don't know, to some people the Mona Lisa is as sacred as the bible is to some.