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Old 09-04-2015, 06:51 PM
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You are 100% correct.
Thank you,

That is the exact reason a good man will make a stand against a young person under a responsible age having a cell phone. Or people having unblocked Internet, or for work or school purposes only. It's not because he is a control freak, it's because people are struggling with these things. There are too many stories of 'while men slept, the enemy came' .

When a ship is taking on water the captain has to Stand flat footed and say Enough! Start bailing water! What's wrong with that?

While in Hawaii my wife and I saw a nice yacht 1/2 submerged at the doc. Beautiful boat beautiful ocean and scenery. But the boat was ruined, and people walked by wagging their heads saying 'it was a awesome yacht ".

Think about all the churches that have gone charismatic or that are no more.... And all we can say is "was an awesome church". As we wag our head.

God help us all.
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Old 09-04-2015, 09:28 PM
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Thank you,

That is the exact reason a good man will make a stand against a young person under a responsible age having a cell phone. Or people having unblocked Internet, or for work or school purposes only. It's not because he is a control freak, it's because people are struggling with these things. There are too many stories of 'while men slept, the enemy came' .

When a ship is taking on water the captain has to Stand flat footed and say Enough! Start bailing water! What's wrong with that?

While in Hawaii my wife and I saw a nice yacht 1/2 submerged at the doc. Beautiful boat beautiful ocean and scenery. But the boat was ruined, and people walked by wagging their heads saying 'it was a awesome yacht ".

Think about all the churches that have gone charismatic or that are no more.... And all we can say is "was an awesome church". As we wag our head.

God help us all.
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Not allowing anyone in a church under the age of 18 to own a cell phone is the very definition of controlling whether you want to acknowledge that or not. Not only controlling but making decisions that should be made by parents.

You may have the best of intentions but pervert the gospel never the less by lording over people rather than being a shepherd.
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Old 09-04-2015, 09:38 PM
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Not allowing anyone in a church under the age of 18 to own a cell phone is the very definition of controlling whether you want to acknowledge that or not. Not only controlling but making decisions that should be made by parents.

You may have the best of intentions but pervert the gospel never the less by lording over people rather than being a shepherd.
I have to agree with you here.
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Old 09-04-2015, 09:41 PM
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Not allowing anyone in a church under the age of 18 to own a cell phone is the very definition of controlling whether you want to acknowledge that or not. Not only controlling but making decisions that should be made by parents.

You may have the best of intentions but pervert the gospel never the less by lording over people rather than being a shepherd.
Ye both do error not knowing the scripture. There is no option but to blow the trumpet.

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.......When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die:

because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

21Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.
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Ye both do error not knowing the scripture. There is no option but to blow the trumpet.

Ezekiel 3:20-21

.......When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die:

because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

21Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.
How does this apply to a minister making across the board rule over someone else's family members?
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Old 09-05-2015, 01:29 AM
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How does this apply to a minister making across the board rule over someone else's family members?
It is just like in the case of a plague in the house.

Leprosy has always been a type of sin. When one person is infected with leprosy in order to save the house, the man of God must rid the house of that dreaded plague. If it is not dealt with the house will be destroyed and everyone in it.

Leviticus 14:44-46
Then the priest shall come and look, and, behold, if the plague be spread in the house, it is a fretting leprosy in the house: it is unclean.

And he shall break down the house, the stones of it, and the timber thereof, and all the morter of the house;

and he shall carry them forth out of the city into an unclean place.

Moreover he that goeth into the house all the while that it is shut up shall be unclean until the even."


When my wife came to this country everyone in the refugee camp that came here had to be vaccinated.

All throughout school my kids had to be vaccinated.

Is that fair?

Somethings need to be done to protect everyone.
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It is just like in the case of a plague in the house.

Leprosy has always been a type of sin. When one person is infected with leprosy in order to save the house, the man of God must rid the house of that dreaded plague. If it is not dealt with the house will be destroyed and everyone in it.

Leviticus 14:44-46
Then the priest shall come and look, and, behold, if the plague be spread in the house, it is a fretting leprosy in the house: it is unclean.

And he shall break down the house, the stones of it, and the timber thereof, and all the morter of the house;

and he shall carry them forth out of the city into an unclean place.

Moreover he that goeth into the house all the while that it is shut up shall be unclean until the even."


When my wife came to this country everyone in the refugee camp that came here had to be vaccinated.

All throughout school my kids had to be vaccinated.

Is that fair?

Somethings need to be done to protect everyone.
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Old 09-05-2015, 02:57 AM
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Are you a pastor?
No, just helping an elder get a new daughter work started. Teaching bible studies 3 days a week, street evangelism and outreach every Tuesday and Saturdays between services. Just scratching the surface of a population of over 400,000. In the surrounding area. Besided working a full time job.
Not doing enough.
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No, just helping an elder get a new daughter work started. Teaching bible studies 3 days a week, street evangelism and outreach every Tuesday and Saturdays between services. Just scratching the surface of a population of over 400,000. In the surrounding area. Besided working a full time job.
Not doing enough.



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