Dan you aren't even reading what I asked...I did not ask for your solution. I asked WHY do we have to address this issue to begin with. I asked that twice now...why do we have to do anything about those already here?
and I answered you already .... we're discussing the concerns of some in this thread .... you obviously don't give a flyin fajita ...
and I answered you already .... we're discussing the concerns of some in this thread .... you obviously don't give a flyin fajita ...
You did not answer me. I ask WHY do the illegals already here HAVE to be addressed? I don't see why we have to legalize them or send them back. You are not helping the discussion by getting emotional.
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LOL...where does he live? You want to talk about drinking all night? Non stop parties with loud Mariachi music and heavy drinking is VERY common everywhere...it does not take an American to do that. Anyone can do that. If this really was the real issue no American would be employed and I have known many Americans that worked or used to work in that industry and were NOT drinkers and very responsible workers
Prax, get off the 'everyone does it' bandwagon and discuss what's actually being said. I didn't say anything close to what would have warranted the response above.
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Please show me where I mentioned them getting paid full wages...
Show me where I said you did.
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I was the one making that argument as to WHY they hire illegals and not Americans
Remember my initial post was that it's NOT completely true that these are jobs that Americans just don't want.
I agree, but I see more Americans on the street holding signs that say, 'will work for food' until you ask them to come over and work....they suddenly aren't that hungry.
I have yet to see illegals doing that. Instead, they are out working...even if they are making less than minimum wage.
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Prax, get off the 'everyone does it' bandwagon and discuss what's actually being said. I didn't say anything close to what would have warranted the response above.
Who said anything about everyone else? I am just addressing what you said AS you said it. Come on, stop getting emotional people and just have a discussion. The more we try to rachet up the emotions here the more out of hand this discussion will become.
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The most realistic solution is a flexible program of “earned adjustment,” often referred to as “earned legalization.” A flexible earned adjustment program requires undocumented immigrants to earn legal status by demonstrating past work history, paying significant fines, undergoing rigorous security and background checks, learning English and American civics, and making good on any back taxes, among other criteria. Undocumented immigrants who successfully jump through all of these hoops do not gain preferential treatment over others who have been waiting for their green cards. Rather, they simply earn the opportunity to apply for permanent residence and to get in line behind those who applied before them.
Contrary to the claims of some opponents, earned legalization is not an “amnesty.” By definition, amnesty is an automatic pardon, or free pass, granted to a group of people who do not have to do anything in return and are not penalized in any way for their past actions. Earned legalization, on the other hand, would impose stringent requirements and substantial penalties, while allowing the undocumented population to come clean with the U.S. government, maintain family and community ties, and continue fulfilling essential roles
in our national economy.
Please explain what I posted that made you say this to me
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne Come on, Prax. You honestly believe that illegals are getting paid full wages on the books????
I don't get that...what did I say that made you ask me that? I did not post a thing that even addressed the topic that illegals are getting paid full wages. As I stated they are NOT getting paid full wages and that is why they are being hired instead of Americans
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I agree, but I see more Americans on the street holding signs that say, 'will work for food' until you ask them to come over and work....they suddenly aren't that hungry.
The percentage of Americans do that is low NOR does that show that Americans would refuse to work a construction job or a cleaning job if not paid "illegal slave wages"
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I have yet to see illegals doing that. Instead, they are out working...even if they are making less than minimum wage.
Again, that does not prove that Americans would NOT take those jobs if offered more than illegal slave waves. Americans have also been known to rape, kill and steal, but that does not mean they all do it
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That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
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