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good samaritan · #41 10-13-2015, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

It really is an apples and oranges comparison since what you are referring to as "tithing" simply is not taught in scripture. There is no tithe on monetary income found in scripture, period. Law tithing was on increase of agricultural ASSETS. Abraham tithes once on things that did not belong to him and returned the balance to the owners. Jacob also tithes ONCE on ASSETS.

In the New Testament, the number 10 simply has no relevance.

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What part are you addressing of my post?

KeptByTheWord · #42 10-13-2015, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

There is NO solid evidence that Cain and Abel had anything to do with tithing. You have to WANT it to be about tithing. They BOTH came at a time (after thinking about how little to give according to you) and gave their offering. OFFERING, not tithe. So apparently Abel took his time and thought about how much to give or not to give as well. The fact that his was accepted was b/c it was a blood sacrifice, not some weak attempt at tithing.

The tree in the garden also had no connection to tithing. The tree belonged to GOD, not man. Tithing had to be on ones INCREASE. Something that belonged to them. Something you earned. The tree was NEVER man's increase. it was NEVER his to claim. It was NEVER earned. It was always God's. So it could not, under even the most weak definition, be considered a tithing symbol.

You also continue to use tithe and firstfruits interchangeably. Perhaps you really don't know, but they are two SEPERATE offerings. Tithes are NOT firstfruits. The first fruits were a small, token of thanks offering. IT had to be small enough to be carried by hand or in a small basket. This is read right out of scripture folks. The tithe was the tenth. it was NOT the FIRST.

Scripture explicitly says that the TENTH to pass under the rod was the tithe, not the first. You did NOT give the first to God, you gave the tenth. If your livestock only gave birth to 9 offspring...you paid no tithe. There was no TENTH to give! I cannot fathom that some of you don't know this. Even worse, I hope that some of you aren't simply ignoring this fact to prop up a pathetic doctrine.

As to needing a scripture that tells us that tithing was rescinded...do you hold the same view of all OT laws? Do you still kick your wife out of the house and church when she is on her period? Hate ot be gross, but she is unclean and should be kicked out according to the law. What verse says specifically that has been rescinded and she may now come to church and stay in the house while menstruating? That she is no longer unclean?

We have an entire book in Hebrews alone that serves the sole purpose of telling us that the entire OT law was obsolete, weak and was fulfilled and replaced with a better convenant. Do you really think that Jesus came and fulfilled the entire old contract, but then looked at the church and said, "well, my new way is better in every facet...except that money thing. I better make sure they still cling to this one part of the law because I can't come up with a better way for the New Testament church"?

Excellent Nitehawk! There is a huge difference between firstfruits and tithing. That is what I came here to say, but you said it better.

good samaritan · #43 10-13-2015, 05:17 PM

Tithes were also commanded to come only from "the land" of Israel. Not other foreign lands. Interesting, that the tithe was the Lord's and if they didn't return it then the Lord would send destruction. We should still give God what is His, ourselves. We must still give to God our firstfruits (seek first the kingdom) and support the ministry.

Originalist · #44 10-13-2015, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

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What part are you addressing of my post?

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The law commanded Israel to tithe to support the levitical priesthood who in return would tend to the tabernacle and their sacrificial system. Levites had no inheritance in Israel and depended solely on the tithing system. Levi tithing through Abraham to Melchizedek was alluding to the priesthood of Melchizedek being greater than that of levi. Tithing was not the point at all in Chapter 7 of Hebrews, Jesus is.

I personally believe if you did the math a born again child will exceed 10% in everything. It is not about tithing it is about being crucified with Him and being a daily living sacrifice.

Rudy · #45 10-13-2015, 05:21 PM

Just a simple note. I think the Levites from the Levitical cities brought 1/10 of the 10th to the temple storehouse. It is commonly taught the tither did.

Just a tidbit on info.

Rudy · #46 10-13-2015, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

Tithes were also commanded to come only from "the land" of Israel. Not other foreign lands. Interesting, that the tithe was the Lord's and if they didn't return it then the Lord would send destruction. We should still give God what is His, ourselves. We must still give to God our firstfruits (seek first the kingdom) and support the ministry.

First-fruits.

How much would this be? A percentage?

Pliny · #47 10-13-2015, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Hey bro., preachers that teach mandatory tithing are not interested it investigating the truth about N.T. tithing.

When it comes to having access to 10% of a believers income for life, they would rather take a chance with teaching blatant false doctrine and being lost, than teaching the truth.

This is clearly the doctrine of Baalam......ministry for hire, and cursing the people of God.....(with Mal. 3)

Oh brother... Blatantly false assumptions. Now I remember why I left...

I am a preacher and I will tell you that I am interested in investigating the truth, all of the truth. Not only am I interested but I have and do.

Apparently you have no idea what the doctrine of Balaam was.

Now you and others are welcome to your own opinions and you do not have to agree with me or anyone else. That is your God given prerogative. But to come out and attack preachers because you disagree is flat out wrong. That is sad.

Sean · #48 10-13-2015, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pliny

Oh brother... Blatantly false assumptions. Now I remember why I left...

I am a preacher and I will tell you that I am interested in investigating the truth, all of the truth. Not only am I interested but I have and do.

Apparently you have no idea what the doctrine of Balaam was.

Now you and others are welcome to your own opinions and you do not have to agree with me or anyone else. That is your God given prerogative. But to come out and attack preachers because you disagree is flat out wrong. That is sad.

Pliny, just cease from teaching mandatory giving and begin to teach free will giving, okay?

Why take a chance of being told, "depart from me".

The doctrine of tithing has been a stumblingblock to saints and sinners alike, and will not be ignored on judgement day.(any more than the man made ideas promoted by the Catholic Church).

The blood of our Lord does not cover heresies. (just ask the Apostle Paul, by reading his verses about heretics).

You can be mad as a hornet at me here and now, but if you change to N.T. Biblical teaching, regarding this issue of giving, you will be hugging my neck in eternity!

Pliny · #49 10-13-2015, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Pliny, just cease from teaching mandatory giving and begin to teach free will giving, okay?

Why take a chance of being told, "depart from me".

The doctrine of tithing has been a stumblingblock to saints and sinners alike, and will not be ignored on judgement day.(any more than the man made ideas promoted by the Catholic Church).

The blood of our Lord does not cover heresies. (just ask the Apostle Paul, by reading his verses about heretics).

You can be mad as a hornet at me here and now, but if you change to N.T. Biblical teaching, regarding this issue of giving, you will be hugging my neck in eternity!

Thank you for your opinion. I could just as easily say to you cease from hindering what God has instituted. That you have no right or authority to change God's word. He instituted it and He is the one that gets to stop it. Can you tell me where it stopped?

Why take a chance on being told depart from me?

Nope not mad as a hornet or anything else. I think it is sad that you have such contempt for preachers. I think it's sad that you accuse me of having access to 10% for life and would rather take a chance on preaching false doctrine. Why? Because I believe something different from you? You don't even know me but you are willing to condemn me and castigate me. Perhaps you should take the beam out of your own eye before attacking me.

This thread was going along okay. I know there is people that disagree with me and I am okay with that. I believe what I believe and will stand before God just like everyone else. This thread turned south when others showed up with condemnation.

No problem. I will bow out now. I sincerely wish you the best and may God grant you an ever closer walk with Him.

BTW I have never taken a salary from the Church. I work a full time job, preach and teach. I have received an offering from time to time.

Take Care

good samaritan · #50 10-13-2015, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy

First-fruits.

How much would this be? A percentage?

I was referring to priorities. not percentages. If I tell you that God is first in my life, but in my finances I only spend on things that bring self satisfaction and have no kingdom impact you would probably wonder. If I tell you that God is first, but I never pray or study God's word you would wonder. For the Church giving God our firstfruits means prioritizing His will and work in every area.

10% would be little for some and much for another. God will judge the heart of the giver I do not.