Any experience with Jehovah Witnesses? - Page 13

Esaias · #**121** 10-15-2015, 05:09 PM

So... anybody with actual experience in this area got any advice?

Evang.Benincasa · #**122** 10-15-2015, 09:39 PM

Jehovah Witnesses really don't work in debate mode, because they are groomed to not believe a word you say (like Mormons) but the only way to really win them is building a friendship. One ex-Jay Hov I Bible studied later commented to me that he would often try to get me to loose my patience, but I would only laugh, and keep the discussion going. What really impacted him was me wanting to be friends instead of wanting to clone him into my brand of religion. Sure scriptural proofs were given, but through it all there had to be a genuine want to see the individual as a life long brother. I look at it this way, whether they be Eastern Orthodox or Jay Hove Witnesses you have to get them to see Jesus, not you, the real Jesus and when they see that, then they open up and listen, with full attention.

Then, there is always praying them through to the Holy Ghost. I have done that with many in a Bible study, Jay Hoves, Mormons, even a starchy Church of Christless, and it was something to see, oh, and hear.

good samaritan · #**123** 10-15-2015, 09:44 PM

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One ex-Jay Hov I Bible studied later commented to me that he would often try to get me to loose my patience, but I would only laugh, and keep the discussion going. What really impacted him was me wanting to be friends instead of wanting to clone him into my brand of religion.

How is that working with sean?

Esaias · #**124** 10-15-2015, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Jehovah Witnesses really don't work in debate mode, because they are groomed to not believe a word you say (like Mormons) but the only way to really win them is building a friendship. One ex-Jay Hov I Bible studied later commented to me that he would often try to get me to loose my patience, but I would only laugh, and keep the discussion going. What really impacted him was me wanting to be friends instead of wanting to clone him into my brand of religion. Sure scriptural proofs were given, but through it all there had to be a genuine want to see the individual as a life long brother. I look at it this way, whether they be Eastern Orthodox or Jay Hove Witnesses you have to get them to see Jesus, not you, the real Jesus and when they see that, then they open up and listen, with full attention.

Then, there is always praying them through to the Holy Ghost. I have done that with many in a Bible study, Jay Hoves, Mormons, even a starchy Church of Christless, and it was something to see, oh, and hear.

How do you get them to see you being a genuine friend when they are indoctrinated into NOT having outside friendships? I mean, I'm not sure they would be willing to "come over for barbecue" or go hang out at the local non-Starbucks coffee house?

Esaias · #**125** 10-16-2015, 02:51 AM

Another question... some things I have read suggest that one should focus on the deity of Christ (using their own translation), the idea being to show them that the Watchtower teaching is contradictory, and is really polytheism. On the other hand, I have read where the best results are obtained by looking at the watchtower itself, and examining its claims to be God's mediator and 'prophet'.

But it seems to me that they would be trained to deflect on both points. Again, I want to try to avoid any Bible ping-pong back and forth on various doctrines until I can at least plant the seeds that the Watchtower is not what it claims to be. I think they have to doubt THAT before anything else can take place in their minds?

Evangelist, can you describe some of your conversations with JWs who you know wound up leaving the Watchtower and who came into the truth? I mean pre-salvation conversations, how did you discuss scripture without them concluding you were just an obstinate unbeliever and so they don't come around anymore? I mean, they pretty much only want to talk about doctrine to begin with...?

JRK · #**126** 10-16-2015, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Jehovah Witnesses really don't work in debate mode, because they are groomed to not believe a word you say (like Mormons) but the only way to really win them is building a friendship. One ex-Jay Hov I Bible studied later commented to me that he would often try to get me to loose my patience, but I would only laugh, and keep the discussion going. What really impacted him was me wanting to be friends instead of wanting to clone him into my brand of religion. Sure scriptural proofs were given, but through it all there had to be a genuine want to see the individual as a life long brother. I look at it this way, whether they be Eastern Orthodox or Jay Hove Witnesses you have to get them to see Jesus, not you, the real Jesus and when they see that, then they open up and listen, with full attention.

Then, there is always praying them through to the Holy Ghost. I have done that with many in a Bible study, Jay Hoves, Mormons, even a starchy Church of Christless, and it was something to see, oh, and hear.

That is AWESOME!

Evang.Benincasa · #**127** 10-17-2015, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

How do you get them to see you being a genuine friend when they are indoctrinated into NOT having outside friendships? I mean, I'm not sure they would be willing to "come over for barbecue" or go hang out at the local non-Starbucks coffee house?

Bible study, continually Bible studying, and meeting regularly over the years. No hanging out, always keeping the discussion around the word. Also praying them through to the Holy Ghost is a real short cut.

Evang.Benincasa · #**128** 10-17-2015, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Evangelist, can you describe some of your conversations with JWs who you know wound up leaving the Watchtower and who came into the truth? I mean pre-salvation conversations, how did you discuss scripture without them concluding you were just an obstinate unbeliever and so they don't come around anymore? I mean, they pretty much only want to talk about doctrine to begin with...?

This is where I always start, I allow them to bring forward what they believe, and weed out those who are dishonest. The men and women, and teenagers that have come out, did it because they were cool people, and they were HONEST, and sincere. You can have JESUS preach and David play his harp, and if they aren't honest, you can forget it. One God, Holy Ghost infilling, those were the cherries on the top of the cheese cake. The ones that I dealt with was always through eschatology. Because that's their baby, and when we go there we start to really get the ball rolling. Then they start to see that Jesus is the same God who was on the cloud in Isaiah 19:1.

shazeep · #**129** 10-18-2015, 07:05 AM

lawyers

Bowas · #**130** 10-18-2015, 10:21 AM

The JW's claim "the mighty God" of Isaiah 9:6 is not referring to Jehovah as they make a distinction between "Almighty God" (Jehovah) and "the Mighty god" (Jesus) but when I present the following verse, they make all kinds of exceptions, as this verse clearly makes no distinction.

Jer 32:17 Ah Lord GOD! behold, thou hast made the heaven and the earth by thy great power and stretched out arm, and there is nothing too hard for thee:
Jer 32:18 Thou shewest lovingkindness unto thousands, and recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them: the Great, the Mighty God, the LORD of hosts, is his name,