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Sean · #**151** 10-19-2015, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy

I think some are pushing for 15% nowadays. You're robbing God in offerings.

Yes, we attended a large church recently that demanded 15%.

good samaritan · #**152** 10-19-2015, 10:11 PM

There are some out there who are demanding, but most probably are not (most of those who are probably aren't experiencing church growth). I know many tithe teachers who do teach that you "must" tithe, but it is extremely rare churches for it to ever be in the demeaning tone that is presented. I have seen the ministry side o f things paying utilities, buying groceries, and buying children's Christmas out of personal funds. Many on here would get the idea that all tithe teachers are heretics who are just greedy of filthy lucre and that is so far from the truth. I am all for debating scripture, but much of this is just slanderous and in a spiritual tone that I don't see Jesus in.

jfrog · #**153** 10-20-2015, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

There are some out there who are demanding, but most probably are not (most of those who are probably aren't experiencing church growth). I know many tithe teachers who do teach that you "must" tithe, but it is extremely rare churches for it to ever be in the demeaning tone that is presented. I have seen the ministry side o f things paying utilities, buying groceries, and buying children's Christmas out of personal funds. Many on here would get the idea that all tithe teachers are heretics who are just greedy of filthy lucre and that is so far from the truth. I am all for debating scripture, but much of this is just slanderous and in a spiritual tone that I don't see Jesus in.

So it's okay to tell people that not tithing is robbing God.

But it's not okay to call out those that teach falsehoods about tithing as false teachers?

It is demeaning to be told you are robbing God when you are not. It is demeaning to be told you are preaching a falsehoods when you are not.

The truth is that the other sides claims will always sound demeaning because someone has to be wrong and doing a disservice to gods church.

It's either the mandatory tithe teachers or those that teach against mandatory tithing. Whoever it is, there's no way not to demean the wrong thing they do.

Sean · #**154** 10-20-2015, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

There are some out there who are demanding, but most probably are not (most of those who are probably aren't experiencing church growth). I know many tithe teachers who do teach that you "must" tithe, but it is extremely rare churches for it to ever be in the demeaning tone that is presented. I have seen the ministry side o f things paying utilities, buying groceries, and buying children's Christmas out of personal funds. Many on here would get the idea that all tithe teachers are heretics who are just greedy of filthy lucre and that is so far from the truth. I am all for debating scripture, but much of this is just slanderous and in a spiritual tone that I don't see Jesus in.

That's because the doctrine of tithing for the New Testament church is scripturally unfounded. You wont see Jesus in it. That is why we are having this "slanderous" discussion.

It must be dealt with as heresy, since it is scripturally unfounded.

Rudy · #**155** 10-20-2015, 08:32 AM

Anyone ever here a pastor say "stay off of AFF" over this tithing issue?

good samaritan · #**156** 10-20-2015, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

So it's okay to tell people that not tithing is robbing God.

But it's not okay to call out those that teach falsehoods about tithing as false teachers?

It is demeaning to be told you are robbing God when you are not. It is demeaning to be told you are preaching a falsehoods when you are not.

The truth is that the other sides claims will always sound demeaning because someone has to be wrong and doing a disservice to gods church.

It's either the mandatory tithe teachers or those that teach against mandatory tithing. Whoever it is, there's no way not to demean the wrong thing they do.

It is always o.k. to make a stand for biblical truth, but is there a right way to do it. Some of the tone and remarks made here demonize men who love the Lord and are sincere about what they believe. Bitterness is the wrong motivation to lead from.

Considering the large majority of churches (most every denomination) do teach tithe this demeaning message could actually keep people out of the church completely. Our focus should be on winning the lost and not exposing all the faults we find in others. Eventually there will never be a church biblical true enough for anyone.

Russ Kelly · #**157** 10-20-2015, 11:19 AM

Yes, there are very decent tithe-teachers out there and, yes, we do not need to resort to name-calling. My problem is that they refuse to enter these dialogs and use God's Word to support post-Calvary tithing. Where is their HOLY boldness? If you cannot support, stop teaching it.

Shock, Jesus, Peter and Paul never tithed! Why not? HOLY tithes were always only food from inside God's HOLY land which God miraculously increased/ Now take that fact and provide texts to disprove it. Otherwise stop teaching tithing.

mfblume · #**158** 10-20-2015, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Russ Kelly

Yes, there are very decent tithe-teachers out there and, yes, we do not need to resort to name-calling. My problem is that they refuse to enter these dialogs and use God's Word to support post-Calvary tithing. Where is their HOLY boldness? If you cannot support, stop teaching it.

Shock, Jesus, Peter and Paul never tithed! Why not? HOLY tithes were always only food from inside God's HOLY land which God miraculously increased/ Now take that fact and provide texts to disprove it. Otherwise stop teaching tithing.

Here is the support. Those who give CAN GIVE ten percent if they choose. So long as they do it cheerfully and in faith, without fear of being cursed otherwise, it is JUST ANOTHER MANNER OF GIVING and God blesses. Giving more in faith causes more blessing. Give according to your faith. If some stick to ten percent, fine. It is only GIVING,m whether it is 10% or 300%. It is giving. And since the bible says GIVE, then it qualifies.

It's not rocket science.

jfrog · #**159** 10-20-2015, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

It is always o.k. to make a stand for biblical truth, but is there a right way to do it. Some of the tone and remarks made here demonize men who love the Lord and are sincere about what they believe. Bitterness is the wrong motivation to lead from.

Considering the large majority of churches (most every denomination) do teach tithe this demeaning message could actually keep people out of the church completely. Our focus should be on winning the lost and not exposing all the faults we find in others. Eventually there will never be a church biblical true enough for anyone.

And their remarks demonize those who teach against mandatory tithing just as yours now do.

Your accusations are noted. But know this propping up falsehood in the name of he lost will only disillusion those you had hoped to save.

mfblume · #**160** 10-20-2015, 12:02 PM

Just a question. Tithing is being questioned here. No problem. Why, though? Is it that people do not give as much as 10% and ti bothers them they are told they should? Or people are giving more and want others to know they can be blessed more than by giving just 10%?

Usually people complain about money when TOO MUCH is being asked. So are you saying 10% is too much to ask for? Trying to see what the point is. Or is it just that DEMANDING people pay a certain amount is wrong, even if it is .001%?