Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine

[Sean]

Originally Posted by houston

Preterists have higher IQs.

Imagination Quotients ...LOL


The most powerful imaginations in Christianity!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

Imagination Quotients ...LOL

What?

Do you know what the definition is of a quotient?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Yes, the same terror if you saw a child (who was not your own) running into freeway traffic.

You would want to stop the child and prevent their injury.

Now suppose the entire world was on this 'Oh, please, don't wanna hear about the fear of traffic anymore, it makes people feel bad'. *I* would be inclined to wlk around town with full colour posters showing the horror of children being run over by rush hour traffic. I'd be telling everyone I knew 'you BETTER fear that traffic, buddy!'

Why?

Well, just because.

That is, just because the world on their self-esteem kick doesn't want to hear a vital truth of God, makes it all the more important to emphasize that vital truth of God. People who are looking for Sappy Santa Claus don't need to hear about how cute and cuddly sweet baby Jesus is, they need to hear (and FEEL) 'the terror of the Lord'.

Just as someone who has felt the terror of the Lord, and has lain awake at night in cold sweats knowing they aren't right with God and that God might require their soul of them that very night, and they aren't ready, because of all their horrific sins and abominable rebellion against the pure Holy Righteous JUDGE of all men, needs to hear how merciful, kind, compassionate, and loving that Holy God is, and how he has provided a way of escape.

[Sean]

The preterists Imagination Quotient test, reflects their brilliance in Imagining things that do not exist or make sense....LOL

[Monterrey]

Sean, have you ever sat down with a person that you call a preterist? I am not talking about these discussions over AFF.

Would you like to?

Would you like to sit down and examine and be examined in doctrine?

It seems like you are parrotting information that you have either read on some preterist Church of Christ website or that you have picked up third hand.

There are good men all over this country and the world that believe some form or fashion of fulfilled prophecy concerning Israel and that the Church is the Israel of God, probably more that you could imagine.

Maybe you have it all together and we are wrong, maybe what we need is a sitdown to hash this out face to face.

It does seem like your comments are coming with an agenda that is not true. Sorry, call it as I see it.

[Sean]

I sit down with preterists daily right in my chair.

What is cool about this forum is I don't get bit by your preterist pooch. LOL

There is no place in a debate room for barking dogs, bro.

(I debated Hebrew Roots Apostolics for over a year, every Thurs. night, face to face.)

When I "cornered" the leader with his errors, he melted down twice and started yelling, slamming his laptop shut and storming out of the room.

I even brought a printout for all in attendance of the 613 commandments for everyone in attendance and had them go through them, line by line.

I was a little too meticulous for their group, and the deceiving spirits on these men reared their ugly heads.


I look for emotional meltdowns in these arguments too.

The pooch is the only one that comes unglued out of all you guys.

I offered him to buy him a metaphoric dinner if he comes to town, but he thinks that it is lying.

Now if YOU come to town, I will buy you a REAL dinner and we can have a fun discussion of our beliefs.

Let me know if you are in town, okay?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Sean

I even brought a printout for all in attendance of the 613 commandments for everyone in attendance and had them go through them, line by line.

I was a little too meticulous for their group, and the deceiving spirits on these men reared their ugly heads.

And I bet you don't have a clue why I find that so funny...

[Sean]

What we did, Esaias , was read through the 613 commandments, and I let everyone decide which ones were still in effect and which ones were not(also, maybe).

The Hebrew Roots guys were elated until we reached the areas of executing folks like heretics, etc.

Then the leader began to say, that he was okay with these methods of execution, because it is the Word of God.

Other H.R. guys disagreed.

At the end, we went back to the beginning commandments that said we were not to falter in any of these commandments.

The Hebrew Roots guys are what I refer to as "partial law".

Partial Law leaves it up the the reader to decide which Laws are still in effect and which laws are not.

It is unBiblical.(The Law says it is ALL or NOTHING).

[Sean]

So, with that in mind, I choose NO part of the O.T. Law to follow or advocate following.


My Law cones from the Holy Ghost within.

The Law of carnal commandment is for the carnal man to deal with.



Hebrews 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

[Sean]

This portion of a random post may be of interest.

Thank you for your questions concerning the paper entitled The Law of God Versus The Law of Moses.

Yes, the writer I quoted believes what most Christians believe. They believe that the ten commandments and the law of Moses are spiritual and that the gift of the holy spirit simply gives us the ability to keep them. Nothing is further from the Truth.

The truth is that the ten commandments and the law of Moses are carnal commandments which Paul and the rich young ruler "kept... from [their] youth up", and which still amounted to nothing more than "the righteousness which is of the law".

Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Rom 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
The law of Moses was "a carnal commandment" for a carnal nation. The simple truth about the law of Moses is that "the law is not of faith", and it is therefore not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient who, by faith, will see and obey the spirit of God's Word and not the "carnal commandment" which has to be "changed" into a "new covenant" for the "new man".

Look at this very plain statement by God's apostle under inspiration of the holy spirit, and ask God for eyes to see and ears to hear:

1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
"The law is not made for a righteous man, but" it is made for a carnal man because it is "a carnal commandment" for the carnal minded:


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