Once Saved Always Saved

[shazeep]

there are certainly also Scriptures that seem to be for OSAS, so you might contemplate those...

[Pliny]

Ananias and Saphira.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shazeep

there are certainly also Scriptures that seem to be for OSAS, so you might contemplate those...

There is not one scripture that actually teaches OSAS. Any supposed proof texts, if taken to support OSAS, contradict vast swaths of scripture. Yet, every single supposed proof text for OSAS, when examined as to what is actually stated, is seen NOT to support OSAS.

Ezekiel ch 18:24-26 is a clear, unambiguous declaration that OSAS is a false doctrine. If OSAS is true, the prophet was a liar. If the prophet is correct, then OSAS cannot possibly be true, AT ALL.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Hebrews 6:4-8 utterly refutes OSAS.

Romans 11:20-21 does likewise.

Originally Posted by Esaias

Not all Baptists who believe OSAS are Calvinists. Many just simply believe once you get saved you cannot afterwards be lost regardless of what you do. Calvinists would reject such a notion.

Heb 10:26 is speaking about under the Mosaic economy presumptuous sin had no offering to take care of it. And there is no additional offering for us either if we sin presumptuously. But if we press it to mean once saved and you voluntarily sin you face judgment, then we are in effect saying nobody will be saved, for who can say they NEVER ONCE SINNED after becoming a Christian?

We don't always agree politically, ( ) but I do agree with you here!

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Yet, every single supposed proof text for OSAS, when examined as to what is actually stated, is seen NOT to support OSAS.

I'm not disagreeing, but i am saying pull them out now, in order to answer later.

[shazeep]

For instance, this guy makes some good points, that Mike might have issue with:
"If 'once saved, always saved' is not true, then by necessity we are saved both by our faith and our works."

http://www.allaboutgod.com/once-saved-always-saved.htm

and it prolly contains most of the Baptist arguments.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shazeep

"If 'once saved, always saved' is not true, then by necessity we are saved both by our faith and our works."

If we are justified by faith only, then by necessity nobody is condemned because of their sins. So, sin is irrelevant, in all cases whatsoever. Nobody needs to worry about sinning, whether they are Christians or not. Woo-hoo! All those people being judged 'according to their works' can notify God on Judgment Day that since we are justified by faith only, He needn't bother opening up those books...

Note: The bible explicitly states 'a man is not justified by faith only.'

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

We don't always agree politically, ( ) but I do agree with you here!

Well, we'll have to work on that political business...

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Well, we'll have to work on that political business...

Good luck!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Good luck!

Luck is for heathens. I am praying for you, though!