Once Saved Always Saved

[good samaritan]

Jesus prayed for Peter that his faith fail not. I think our definition of faith is often the problem. If faith is just being cognitive of Christ then it wouldn't make sense, but when you see faith as lifestyle system it makes sense. I as a Christian have doubted things in regards to Jesus, but my faith did not cease. I continued in what I believed even when my mind would sometimes be in and out. James that faith without works is dead.

Simply put, you can leave the faith. That does not mean that you quit believing in his existence. People leave the faith(walk) they have with him. Abraham's faith in God led to a covenant relationship and that is still key to our salvation. PS I don't think any of us can judge someone to hell. We can only point to Biblical truth that we have found and warn of the real consequences.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Esaias

If we are justified by faith only, then by necessity nobody is condemned because of their sins. So, sin is irrelevant, in all cases whatsoever. Nobody needs to worry about sinning, whether they are Christians or not. Woo-hoo! All those people being judged 'according to their works' can notify God on Judgment Day that since we are justified by faith only, He needn't bother opening up those books...

Note: The bible explicitly states 'a man is not justified by faith only.'

yup! Unfortunately, it also states explicitly that he is!
"For we maintain that a man is justified by faith."

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Well, we'll have to work on that political business...

i would put it with your eschatology, and bet that your ice cream survives longer in the fire, lol.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

In the case of Esau, Pharaoh, and Judas... it does seem that God used their existence to bring about a greater good... so... was it God's will for those three to come to repentance, or was their existence and evil works allowed without repentance, to bring about His greater purpose?

Esau never served his brother when we read the elder shall serve the younger. It's Esau's descendants as a nation. And pharaoh was dealt with as leader of. A nation to affect the nation alone.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Esther

That is not what OSAS believe but those that believe in predestation.

I have most of mine and my husbands family are Baptist
And they are adament about it.

God told Moses He would blot out the names He would blot out. (Paraphrased)

This tells me you can't be OSAS.

Osas and predestination go hand in hand, though.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shazeep

yup! Unfortunately, it also states explicitly that he is!
"For we maintain that a man is justified by faith."

Actually, it never says a man is justified by faith ONLY. But you should have known that.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Jesus prayed for Peter that his faith fail not. I think our definition of faith is often the problem. If faith is just being cognitive of Christ then it wouldn't make sense, but when you see faith as lifestyle system it makes sense. I as a Christian have doubted things in regards to Jesus, but my faith did not cease. I continued in what I believed even when my mind would sometimes be in and out. James that faith without works is dead.

Simply put, you can leave the faith. That does not mean that you quit believing in his existence. People leave the faith(walk) they have with him. Abraham's faith in God led to a covenant relationship and that is still key to our salvation. PS I don't think any of us can judge someone to hell. We can only point to Biblical truth that we have found and warn of the real consequences.

Interesting thought.

This comes to me when I think of someone leaving the faith....

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Leaving the original doctrines and experience, is what I view as leaving the faith.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Sean

Interesting thought.

This comes to me when I think of someone leaving the faith....

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Leaving the original doctrines and experience, is what I view as leaving the faith.

[votivesoul]

I address OSAS and other related views here, if anyone cares to read:

https://votivesoul.wordpress.com/201...redestination/

[KeptByTheWord]

Thanks for all of your input! I had a busy day today, and will try to get back tomorrow and respond to the posts.