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11-09-2015, 05:18 PM
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Re: Once Saved Always Saved
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WADR, surely that isn't what you think that verse means.
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Then please understand the implications of what you think it means.
Do you believe these things?
1. All sin is willful
2. Christians sin even after receiving the knowledge of the truth
Now considering these things I think the verse is telling you that you have no hope since you have sinned after receiving the knowledge of the truth.
But that's not what you believe that verse tells you is it? Your actions speak otherwise. If you thought there was no hope for you for sinning after receiving the knowledge of the truth then you would not even attempt to serve God. But you do and so your belief truly manifests.
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11-09-2015, 05:23 PM
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Re: Once Saved Always Saved
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Then praise God that you were made better than your brothers.
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Don't tell that to me. Tell that to Paul. He wrote it. But you've proved my point. OSAS people don't stand on those verses. And the entire doctrine came from that inability to understand these verses. So, they create something that is not laid out in scripture.
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I will take your word that you do not sin. But please listen to your brothers that tell you it is impossible for them not to sin.
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Listen to the word of God.
Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
It's in your bible, too! 
I said nothing about me. I only quoted scripture. Does that scripture offend you?
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11-09-2015, 05:25 PM
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Re: Once Saved Always Saved
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Jfrog how are you getting that from the verse? It looks like you bypassed the verse I offered? But instead of dealing with the verse in its context, you decided to tell me how those who oppose your belief system are the bad guys. That you are clean. Could you please explain the verse in its context?
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I only asked a question. Apparently you take offense to the question.
I asked such a question because it brings to light the folly of the position that Christ's blood isn't enough to cover all sins.
Who tramples the blood of Christ more. He that believes in it and willfully sins or he who claims that such blood cannot cover even willful sin?
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11-09-2015, 05:26 PM
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Re: Once Saved Always Saved
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Don't tell that to me. Tell that to Paul. He wrote it. But you've proved my point. OSAS people don't stand on those verses. And the entire doctrine came from that inability to understand these verses. So, they create something that is not laid out in scripture.
Listen to the word of God.
Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
It's in your bible, too! |
And it's also in the bible to ask forgiveness when we sin.
So I say again, praise God you are able to Walk in the Spirit better than your brothers!
But don't count them liars when they say they cannot always walk in the Spirit as you.
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11-09-2015, 05:36 PM
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Re: Once Saved Always Saved
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And it's also in the bible to ask forgiveness when we sin.
So I say again, praise God you are able to Walk in the Spirit better than your brothers!
But don't count them liars when they say they cannot always walk in the Spirit as you.
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Don't make this about me or you. That's cognitive dissonance, a sure sign you're offended. I am not making it about me or you. Why are you? I merely stated what the bible says. And you somehow are avoiding it. This is exactly what I was trying to say about Romans and OSAS people. They don't follow the context. OSAS is a result of scrambling for the idea that we cannot help but sin, and somehow trying to see salvation despite of it. It is the result of thinking no one can live without sinning, but people can still be saved. How can that be? AHA! OSAS!!!!! But the bible does not lay that teaching out. If it was true, why aren't there chapters upon chapters about it? It's the result of faulty reading.
To use your words,
I only quoted a scripture. Apparently you take offense to that..
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11-09-2015, 05:37 PM
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If you properly understood Romans 6 through 7, and Gal 5 touches on it, you'd dump OSAS immediately.
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11-09-2015, 06:30 PM
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Re: Once Saved Always Saved
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Then praise God that you were made better than your brothers.
I will take your word that you do not sin. But please listen to your brothers that tell you it is impossible for them not to sin.
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A good tree cannot produce bad fruit please explain.
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11-09-2015, 06:35 PM
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Re: Once Saved Always Saved
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I only asked a question. Apparently you take offense to the question.
I asked such a question because it brings to light the folly of the position that Christ's blood isn't enough to cover all sins.
Who tramples the blood of Christ more. He that believes in it and willfully sins or he who claims that such blood cannot cover even willful sin?
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So now you are going to tell me I'm offended? Ok instead of telling me a position is folly you should of done what I initially asked you. That was to explain the verse in its context.
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11-09-2015, 08:16 PM
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Re: Once Saved Always Saved
1 John 3:7-10
Little children, let no one LEAD you ASTRAY; the one practicing righteousness is righteous, JUST AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS. The one who practices sin is OF THE DEVIL, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the WORKS of the devil. Anyone born of God REFUSES to practice sin, because God's SEED abides in him; he CANNOT go on sinning, BECAUSE he has been born of God. Through this, the children of God and the children of the devil are MANIFEST: anyone not practicing righteousness is NOT OF GOD, and also the one not loving his brother.
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11-09-2015, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
1 John 3:7-10
Little children, let no one LEAD you ASTRAY; the one practicing righteousness is righteous, JUST AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS. The one who practices sin is OF THE DEVIL, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the WORKS of the devil. Anyone born of God REFUSES to practice sin, because God's SEED abides in him; he CANNOT go on sinning, BECAUSE he has been born of God. Through this, the children of God and the children of the devil are MANIFEST: anyone not practicing righteousness is NOT OF GOD, and also the one not loving his brother.
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Powerful proof osas is error.
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