Does Islam Inspire Terrorism?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Hindus?

They hate Muslims.

What? Do you think every Hindu is Ghandi?

prolly not. I am sure hate goes against Hinduism, too, so it is in hating that one is a hypocrite.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

prolly not. I am sure hate goes against Hinduism, too, so it is in hating that one is a hypocrite.

Such lack of understanding.

Rev 2:6 KJV But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

I do not hate mulsims, or hindus, and I think no one on the entire forum hates them. We hate their deedslike you hate the bible dogma about the necessity of the cross for our righteousness. You already admitted you are a hypocrite, which means you hate. But at any rate, hatred toward deeds and not the person doing to deeds is innocent. Nothing wrong with that. Learn the Word.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Stop reading Nikola Machiavelli and start reading your Bible.

stop patronizing the Machiavelli readers then

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I read the passages at quran.com and they are not out of context.

yes, they are, and i have already quoted the last one, showing that they are. You saying that they aren't does not mean that they aren't, it just means that you are blind. It's like a grown-up "same to you, but more of it." If they aren't, then show how they aren't, Mike. Or at least tell.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Such lack of understanding.

Rev 2:6 KJV But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

I do not hate mulsims, or hindus, and I think no one on the entire forum hates them. We hate their deedslike you hate the bible dogma about the necessity of the cross for our righteousness. You already admitted you are a hypocrite, which means you hate. But at any rate, hatred toward deeds and not the person doing to deeds is innocent. Nothing wrong with that. Learn the Word.

Then man up, and state/witness all of the many heinous deeds that Muslims have perpetrated against you, and recognize that you are scared to death of the Word.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Then man up, and state/witness all of the many heinous deeds that Muslims have perpetrated against you, and recognize that you are scared to death of the Word.

Scared of the word. lol.

They did nothing against me personally. Who said they did? Explain to me why you even ask this.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Scared of the word. lol.

They did nothing against me personally. Who said they did? Explain to me why you even ask this.

i already have. Explain to me why we are told to "Go, and do likewise" by Christ @ the Good Samaritan, while the many who cry "Lord, Lord" are not accepted, and i will do so again.

[aegsm76]

Here is a question for you.

Can you name me a majority Muslim country where freedom of religion is allowed?

By freedom of religion, I mean that other religions are allowed free practice and a Muslim is allowed to convert to another religion without being killed...

Just give me one.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

yes, they are, and i have already quoted the last one, showing that they are. You saying that they aren't does not mean that they aren't, it just means that you are blind. It's like a grown-up "same to you, but more of it." If they aren't, then show how they aren't, Mike. Or at least tell.

You already quoted the last one?

Let's see:

29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.
9:30 The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?
9:31 They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah , and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.
9:32 They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah refuses except to perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it.
9:33 It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.

How in the world is "fight those who disagree with the laws of Allah," followed by criticizing the Jews and Christians fr believing things ALLAH SAYS ARE NOT TRUE, implying Jews and Christians disagree with the laws of Allah, not saying fight Christians and Jews?

The nonsense tells Moslems to fight those who disahgree with what Allah says is Law. Read it: "who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled." Those are the ones they're told to fight.

Then it names two groups of people whom stand as examples of whom they must fight and gives the reasons they must fight them according to what was just said about allah's law. Jews says Ezra is son of God. Christians say Allah is son of God. Then the Kran makes this statement about them:

they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?

Yeah, it's really out way out of context to say Koran teaches Muslims to fight Christians who say Jesus is son of God when it says, " the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?".

The text continues to say that Jews and Christians who made these claims have taken the scholars and monks as lords instead of allah, when they're referring to the writers of the bible.

Then you say:

you admitted that you didn't bother to verify whether these are taken out of context, also; so let's just pick one, and read it.

"They have taken as lords beside Allah their rabbis and their monks"

is right there in the middle of the first one i grabbed, the bottom one. 9-34, which is of course omitted, sums up the passage

"9:34 O ye who believe! Lo! many of the (Jewish) rabbis and the (Christian) monks devour the wealth of mankind wantonly and debar (men) from the way of Allah. They who hoard up gold and silver and spend it not in the way of Allah, unto them give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom,"

so we see that this is not about fighting Jews and Christians at all--who are accepted in the Qur'an in many other places, which are not mentioned here of course--but about idolatry. And, it does sound uncomfortably familiar, i would say.

Wow did you ever twist that context! AFTER the reasons are given for muslims to fight Christians and Jews, we then read these OTHER THINGS they speak about. The objects of muslim wrath given for the statement, "Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled," are listed as follows:

9:30 The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?

And because verse 29 said fight those who disagree with allah's laws before we read of Jews and Christians and distinct beliefs they hold, we realize the reason for the command to fighting is what the muslims consider unlawful teachings for Christians to believe Jesus is Son of God. The things YOU MENTION from verse 34 are NOT TOUTED as the elements associated aside from the issues of verse 34 we find in verse 30. In other words grounds adequate to fight Christians are their "unlawful" beliefs that Jesus is Son of God.

Otherwise, verse 34 would be mentioned immediately after verse 29 like verse 30 was, before verse 31 goes off on secondary issues. The primary issues for fighting Christians are what the koran mocks as so-called lawful beliefs that are actually unlawful to what allah says, and that is Jesus is Son of God.

The Koran sandwiches the urge for muslims to fight people with the details of Jews and Christians beliefs about God having a Son. Wow, they really hate the thought of God having a Son, don't they!?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

i already have. Explain to me why we are told to "Go, and do likewise" by Christ @ the Good Samaritan, while the many who cry "Lord, Lord" are not accepted, and i will do so again.

We are told to do what the good Samaritan was told, whereas the Lord Lord Criers were not accepted, because we need FAITH THAT WORKS. Not just FAITH that does not have fruit.

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