Humility and pride revisited...

Originally Posted by Felidae

Can we have self-respect? Are we worthy of respect? May we love ourselves?

Self-respect is to think of ourselves more highly than we ought. The Bible never tells us to love ourselves (it's automatically assumed that we do, since we have a sinful nature). We are not worthy of respect or anything except for eternity in the lake of fire. That God allows us to even draw breath from one moment to the next is entirely by His grace. That He goes even further and allows some of us to have a relationship with Him is amazing grace!

Originally Posted by Chan

Pride has ONLY the biblical meaning. Otherwise, it is not pride. It doesn't matter what Webster or Oxford University or any of those other dictionary publishers say, it only matters what God's word says.

You are completely incorrect, Chan. No one here (forgive me for speaking for others) is haughtily saying that they arrogantly think of their children as being superior to others' children when they say they are "proud" of them.

What they ARE saying (again, I'm speaking for them - sorry) is that they are very pleased and delighted with their children. (This is ALSO the definition of "pride.")

Some words DO have more than one meaning. "Pride" being one of them.

You are accusing parents of being lofty/haughty.

Originally Posted by Felidae

You are completely incorrect, Chan. No one here (forgive me for speaking for others) is haughtily saying that they arrogantly think of their children as being superior to others' children when they say they are "proud" of them.

What they ARE saying (again, I'm speaking for them - sorry) is that they are very pleased and delighted with their children. (This is ALSO the definition of "pride.")

Some words DO have more than one meaning. "Pride" being one of them.

You are accusing parents of being lofty/haughty.

By saying you are proud of them, you are committing sin because the Bible says that pride is sin. It doesn't matter that this wicked world attaches other meanings to the word "pride," it only matters what the Bible says about this concept called "pride." Be pleased and delighted but do not be proud.

Originally Posted by Chan

Self-respect is to think of ourselves more highly than we ought. The Bible never tells us to love ourselves (it's automatically assumed that we do, since we have a sinful nature). We are not worthy of respect or anything except for eternity in the lake of fire. That God allows us to even draw breath from one moment to the next is entirely by His grace. That He goes even further and allows some of us to have a relationship with Him is amazing grace!

Self-respect is to treat ourselves (the temple of the Holy Ghost) with dignity.

Please show me the scriptures which states that it is automatically assumed we love ourselves AND that it is BECAUSE we have a sinful nature.

Originally Posted by Chan

By saying you are proud of them, you are committing sin because the Bible says that pride is sin. It doesn't matter that this wicked world attaches other meanings to the word "pride," it only matters what the Bible says about this concept called "pride." Be pleased and delighted but do not be proud.

I believe it was the translators who ascribed the word "pride" to haughty, lofty, pompous etc. You are making an issue out of a non-issue.

I suppose it is a sin to call a group of lions a "pride;" as ONLY the "biblical definition" matters and the Bible never called a group of lions a "pride."

[Felicity]

We need to think of ourselves the same way Christ thinks of us.

Originally Posted by Felicity

We need to think of ourselves the same way Christ thinks of us.

Which is?

Originally Posted by Felidae

Self-respect is to treat ourselves (the temple of the Holy Ghost) with dignity.

Please show me the scriptures which states that it is automatically assumed we love ourselves AND that it is BECAUSE we have a sinful nature.

It is assumed that we love ourselves in the passage "Love your neighbor as you love yourself." Self-love comes from the sinful nature because the Bible commands us to love one another and the kind of love we're supposed to have is self-sacrificing. No one who loves himself sacrifices himself. Love, according to 1 Corinthians 13 is not self-seeking but when we love ourselves, we are self-seeking.

Originally Posted by Felidae

I believe it was the translators who ascribed the word "pride" to haughty, lofty, pompous etc. You are making an issue out of a non-issue.

No, it is not a non-issue. It is taking a word that the Bible uses one way and trying to somehow "redeem" the word to make it into something virtuous.

I suppose it is a sin to call a group of lions a "pride;" as ONLY the "biblical definition" matters and the Bible never called a group of lions a "pride."

A group of lions was probably called a pride because of certain characteristics observed in lions. But it is inaccurate to refer to lions that way. It isn't saying the word "pride" that is sin, it's having pride (being proud) that is sin.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Felidae

Which is?

God's Word is like a mirror. We look into it and see ourselves as we really are and as He views us.